General star wars talk/discussion/complaining

As I big fan of The Last Jedi I would argue that it is the farthest the main episodic franchise got from a "children's movie". Unless there are a bunch of children's shows I don't know about out there that are making pointed takedowns of war profiteering and tackling Battlestar Galactica-style cat-and-mouse war paranoia and the cost of a single soldier's life in both large and small scale.
When I watched the first episode of The Clone Wars, I was a little shocked at how graphic it was for a kid's show. When a bunch of clones jump into escape pods, the Separatist droids methodically crush each one, exposing the survivors to die in the vacuum of space. It wasn't particularly graphic, but I was just a bit surprised. I think Star Wars should be be for pretty much all ages. i.e. It should be easy enough for a kid to follow, but it's okay if it includes elements kids might pick up. I don't really need the Force to make a whole lot of sense, I just need simplistic morality and a plot worthy of the best movie serials had to offer in the 1940s and 50s.

I just want Jedi to mostly be good and smart. I miss those days.
Yeah. It's one of the reasons I didn't care if The Acolyte got picked up for another season. I don't need the Jedi to be perfect, but after seeing The Acolyte I don't care that the Jedi fell in Revenge of the Sith.
 

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We'll never get it -- probably because it never existed -- but I would love to see the bible for the First Order era setting. Great designs, some intriguing hints about the new status quo, etc., most of which was never elaborated on in any of the three movies.
I waded into this thread with a little trepidation… I love Star Wars and there is no shortage of complaining threads and articles littering the internet. I don't need any of that.

I hope we get something like this. I love the visual guides we used to get more often. You can scrounge information from the encyclopedias and such but they can be taken out of canon pretty easily.

The Marvel comics are moving into the post-trilogy era finally. They already started with the Battle of Jakku stuff (and dipped into a little a few years ago, with the Poe Dameron story) so we may get more info there. Ahsoka dipped their toes into it a little with the goings on with Hera and Kazuto and the amesty program in Mando season 3 but it really was very little.

We'll see how things flesh out, but I am very interested in this time period.
 

I think individual Jedi can be and often are still good and smart. The problem was never Jedi. It was the Jedi Order. In both conception and practice the Jedi Order was always an overly paternalistic organization with regards to the rest of the galaxy, and to borrow a quote from a film critic, "Star Wars isn't the franchise where father figures show up to save the day... Star Wars is the franchise where father figures f*** up and disappoint you."
 


Oh, I also really want new stories with new characters. Not tied to old ones. That ship may have sailed for the movies, alas. At least in my lifetime.
Pardon my ignorance because I haven't followed SW developments since The Last Jedi, but I thought that's what The High Republic stuff was supposed to be?
 

The Holdo Maneuver has a really, really simple explanation. The only reason the ships collided is because of the hyperspace tether that the First Order used on the Resistance ship. Without the tether, the interaction would only have destroyed the Resistance ship (it's established elsewhere that you can die in hyperspace if you collide with a gravity well, which is why ships have safety mechanisms that drop you out of hyperspace before that happens; that's how an Interdictor works). The lack of a tether is why you can't use the Holdo Maneuver in every other space battle.

The other key element is that it was new tech, so neither side knew with certainty what would happen. This explains why Holdo was so cryptic about the plan: she didn't know if it would work or not. Turning off the hyperspace safety measures and trying it out was a last ditch "well, we're dead anyway, why not give this a try?" tactic. And it explains why no one in the First Order responded fast enough to stop her. Hux (and others) only realized what might happen at the last minute, which also explains their reactions.

Going further, this also explains why we don't see hyperspace tethers used again. People now know that if a capital ship uses one, it puts a huge target on their backs; safer to stick with the old-school Interdictor style gravity wells. You could, however, have a suicide squad sneak a hyperspace tether onto a ship or outpost specifically to employ the technique.
I like that take!

Honestly, the main things I don’t like about The Last Jedi are the slow-motion chase and Leia’s Mary Poppins moment. I like pretty much everything else, including cynical Luke.

I liked the story of the Acolyte but I would like more “Jedi are the good guys” stories. I’m just not that keen on the more cynical “The Jedi are corrupt and deserved to be wiped out” take.

I loved Skeleton Crew, and I loved the first two seasons of The Mandalorian. The third season was a bit uneven. Boba Fett was bizarre. Ahsoka was OK but also disappointing because I LOVE Rebels and this just didn’t live up to that. It also didn’t live up to Ahsoka’s live-action debut in Mando S2.

Clone Wars was great too. And yeah, it included some surprisingly nasty stuff for a kids’ show, including torture scenes.

Oh, and I loved playing through both Jedi: Fallen Order and Jedi: Survivor. Those are fantastic games. (The too-short single player game in Battlefront II was fun too.)

EDIT: Oh yeah, I liked Obi-Wan but it could have been better. And Andor was fantastic! Rogue One is one of my favorite movies. I even enjoyed Solo.
 
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Pardon my ignorance because I haven't followed SW developments since The Last Jedi, but I thought that's what The High Republic stuff was supposed to be?
Well, the movies were about the Skywalkers and all the old enemies apparently. The second to last movie tried to move us on, but Disney just couldn't do it.

All the other stuff takes place in the near past, mostly. And has hooks to existing characters. There are trillions of people, across millennia, give us new stuff. With some actual good people.
 



@Gradine, while I'm not a fan of the sequel trilogy, I hold no special grief over the Last Jedi. Most of my issues with the trilogy are directed at the other two movies. TFA specially, they didn't have to blow up everything while throwing shade at the prequels with a rehashed story. And RoS, the plot was a mess. Still I would have forgiven these movies if they had provided more romantic resolution. Why bother getting Kylo into the hero side if they were going to kill him anyway? Just so he could kiss Rey before vanishing? He was more interesting as the main threat or if he had survived. And why reduce Finn to a sad puppy who can't confess to Rey? Why didn't we get FinnxPoe? I was expecting FinnxPoe not introduce a Random mystery girl who doesn't even show her face just do everything remains heteronormative! If there had been more romantic resolution I would at least have bothered to complete the bluray set.

So far my judgement on Disney era SW means
  • Good: Rogue One, Andor, Skeleton Crew, Bad Batch, Rebels, Mandalorian 1&2.
  • Liked flaws and all: Solo, Mandalorian 3rd season, Book of Bobba Fett.
  • Liked despite its flaws: Ahsoka, Obi Wan.
  • Didn't like: Episodes VII-IX (Liked the idea of it though)
  • Didn't watch/read/play (but was aware of it): High Republic, Acolyte, Fallen Order, Survivor, Dr Aphra, Forces of Destiny.
Oh, and I still like the toys. I'm sad I couldn't get my hands on the FoD dolls. Money and space is tight, and I have my paws on many buckets.
 

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