D&D 5E 2024 D&D is 2014 D&D with 4E sprinkled on top

[pemerton]

Magic, is anything outside of what is possible within our world.

In which case, as @Hussar has already posted, D&D fighters are magical. Dragonflight is magical. Giant terrestrial arthropods - which are replete in D&D, and not labelled as "magic" by the game - are magical. Etc.

If it's giving one, the ability to break the laws which bind the rest of the world?

The world of D&D isn't bound by "laws" of the sort that bind our world. (Eg in D&D, fire and earth and water and air are all elements; so D&D does not share its "chemistry" with our world.)

So the fact that something is impossible within our world doesn't mean that it breaks the "laws" of the D&D world. That's why, in D&D, giant scorpions are not magical.

 

[Micah Sweet]

As I understand it 7 is terribly buggy.

Reviews aren't great 7-8 range it seems but all the others are generally 9+ or high 80's for a "bad" one.

Cool. I was going to wait anyway. They are charging a ton for it right now.

 

[Scribe]

In which case, as @Hussar has already posted, D&D fighters are magical. Dragonflight is magical. Giant terrestrial arthropods - which are replete in D&D, and not labelled as "magic" by the game - are magical. Etc.

The world of D&D isn't bound by "laws" of the sort that bind our world. (Eg in D&D, fire and earth and water and air are all elements; so D&D does not share its "chemistry" with our world.)

So the fact that something is impossible within our world doesn't mean that it breaks the "laws" of the D&D world. That's why, in D&D, giant scorpions are not magical.

Yes, a lot of it is magical. That's been my point since forever.

 

[pemerton]

Anything that goes beyond real life ability. Now I would be willing to allow so-called "action movie physics" to still be considered mundane, but anything beyond, say, True Lies for example, is supernatural to my mind, and thus should have some kind of specific explanation. All of that is what setting logic means.

Why, in a game of fantastic mediaeval miniatures, would we use a modern-era action movie as our index, rather than - say - Beowulf or the Iliad?

 

[pemerton]

In 3.x and 4e magic items were required for your character to function at moderate to high levels

This isn't accurate for 4e D&D. The use of inherent bonuses, of grandmaster training, etc permit a PC to have all the (necessary and assumed) build elements that magic items provide, without having any magic items.

 

[Scribe]

Why, in a game of fantastic mediaeval miniatures, would we use a modern-era action movie as our index, rather than - say - Beowulf or the Iliad?

Because of Aragorn, and Conan.

 

[pemerton]

@EzekielRaiden if what I assert is not correct, then what even is your problem with 5e? If my claim is wrong, then there must be no issue, especially in a 5.5 world, so you must be over the moon!

Me personally? I dont like the direction at all, but I found a better alternative.

Literally all one needs, with a few gremlin items.

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I'm not sure what this is supposed to show. How do I know that this "fighter" is not magical? Nothing in what you posted shows that they are confined to what is possible in reality: and some of what you posted suggested that they're not (eg the D&D-style hit and damage rules).

 

[pemerton]

Because of Aragorn, and Conan.

You do realise that Conan can crush the skulls of were-hyenas with his fists, can survive being crucified in the desert, etc. So by your standards is a magical character.

 

[Scribe]

You do realise that Conan can crush the skulls of were-hyenas with his fists, can survive being crucified in the desert, etc. So by your standards is a magical character.

About Cap levels, sure.

Depending on source material and all that.

Honestly man, we are not going to align, its not worth your time.

 

[pemerton]

A mundane martial is not going to wave his hand and stop time, open the gates of heaven, or transport his party to the Hells.

Why can't a "mundane martial" lead a party of companions down through the depths of the earth to a chasm that leads into the hells. Or to the top of a mountain that is so high, and cloud-wreathed, that it allows stepping through the gates of heaven?