D&D General Why grognards still matter

[UngainlyTitan]

Settings are pre-created story.

Which is why I do not like ones with too much material.

 

[Ruin Explorer]

My average to include con fees and con rooms is about $1,667 per year. this includes office supplies, swag dice for new people, etc.

I kind of meant how could a consumer spend on D&D books, but that is an interesting figure!

 

[Micah Sweet]

Which is why I do not like ones with too much material.

Like them or not (I really do personally) they are a big part of many RPGs, so your sweeping claim that story is not a major part of RPGs is clearly subjective.

 

[jasper]

I kind of meant how could a consumer spend on D&D books, but that is an interesting figure!

Look at this thread and do the math or pull out the books and ebooks.

D&D General Thread 'I spent how much? How much did you spend in 2024.'

Jan 2, 2025

Product for D&D	price	Total D&D
	$1,127.87​	$15,009.87​
Book of Many Things Hard copy	$109.99​	Prior years D&D
Shattered Obelisk Minis	$21.99​	$13,882.00​
Saving the Children	$4.24​	5/9/2016​
Vecna Eve Of Ruin ecopy	$25.49​
Godly Grimoire	$7.96​
Po-bk-3-01 a pirate life for me

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• jasper
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[Ruin Explorer]

Look at this thread and do the math or pull out the books and ebooks.

D&D General Thread 'I spent how much? How much did you spend in 2024.'

Jan 2, 2025

Product for D&D	price	Total D&D
	$1,127.87​	$15,009.87​
Book of Many Things Hard copy	$109.99​	Prior years D&D
Shattered Obelisk Minis	$21.99​	$13,882.00​
Saving the Children	$4.24​	5/9/2016​
Vecna Eve Of Ruin ecopy	$25.49​
Godly Grimoire	$7.96​
Po-bk-3-01 a pirate life for me

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• jasper
• Replies: 21
• Forum: *Dungeons & Dragons

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AHA thank you!

 

[Morrus]

appeased casual minority audiences, trashed the lore, trashed the hardcore fans,

And again. We've warned you multiple times about this, but you're still dropping dogwhistles into your posts, and you clearly intend to ignore our warnings. This is your last warning.

 

[Lanefan]

Nah, I want you to carefully and clearly define what you mean by "appeased casual minority audiences". Also you chose the word "appeased", so no, you don't get to complain about your own choices mate.

Let's hear it, what did you mean by that? Because I think that's pretty key here. Especially as you refused to defend any of your claims whatsoever.

Not the person who made the initial claim, but when I see "appeased casual minority audiences" I read it as pandering to small-but-vocal groups within a fandom, maybe or maybe not do the detriment of the overall experience.

An example in D&D is that there's always been a very vocal cohort who want casters - mostly Wizards - to have fewer (or no) restrictions and-or more power, even to the extent of making D&D an all-caster game, as in no non-caster PCs. Over the years and editions the designers have IMO listened too closely to this cohort as regards casting restrictions, resulting in casters becoming far more powerful than they should be simply due to their increased reliability.

 

[Zardnaar]

Not the person who made the initial claim, but when I see "appeased casual minority audiences" I read it as pandering to small-but-vocal groups within a fandom, maybe or maybe not do the detriment of the overall experience.

An example in D&D is that there's always been a very vocal cohort who want casters - mostly Wizards - to have fewer (or no) restrictions and-or more power, even to the extent of making D&D an all-caster game, as in no non-caster PCs. Over the years and editions the designers have IMO listened too closely to this cohort as regards casting restrictions, resulting in casters becoming far more powerful than they should be simply due to their increased reliability.

Erm they've spent 20 years dialing casters down.

 

[David Howery]

are you a grognard if you used to play way back in the old days and don't anymore but hang around on here out of nostalgia about those good old days, but don't really care that lotsa people are playing new versions that aren't really anything like the ones you played?

 

[Clint_L]

are you a grognard if you used to play way back in the old days and don't anymore but hang around on here out of nostalgia about those good old days, but don't really care that lotsa people are playing new versions that aren't really anything like the ones you played?

I think yes, according to the OP's definition? And welcome aboard!