What if Studio Ghibli directed Lord of the Rings?

[Bohandas]

You've fallen victim to "replacing actual argumentation to linking to random argumentation definitions and pretending you made a cogent point."

You need to make an argument yourself. The law isn't immoral. Indeed, it has a longstanding basis in humanist philosophy, including those which the US Founders valued.

They also valued freedom of speech and of the press, but I guess making money is more important?

As an aside, I value free speech as well. More that I value vulgar things like businesses or the job market. And more that that I believe that people should have the right to own their culture. Our culture - that is. the part of it that's relevant now, not what was our culture some 70 odd years ago - shouldn't be owned in its entirety by a handful of large corporations, it should be owned by the people

 

[Bohandas]

IP law stifles creativity more than it encourages it. This movie could easily be made for real, and the only thing stopping it is an outdated censorship law.

 

[Bohandas]

Firstly, he's retired (again), so I'm not sure how vested his interests are.
If anything, Studio Ghibli could save money if they used AI.

With AI in the picture there's no longer the barriers to entry that allow studios and professional content creators to exist. People can directly generate the content they desire without having to spend millions of dollars or spend years learning how to draw

What does selling out even mean in this context?

I consider a sellout/hack to be any person who requires a monetary incentive in order to be motivated to create art. And before you try to say it, no, that's not all artists, that's just all professional artists. And there's more than enough people who create simply for the joy of creating or making others happy to replace the professionals even without AI. These peopke were common and visible back around the turn of the century, but in the interim they've all been pushed into the background by people chasing the almighty dollar

 

[Older Beholder]

IP law stifles creativity more than it encourages it. This movie could easily be made for real, and the only thing stopping it is an outdated censorship law.

There is nothing creative in putting someone else's work through a filter.

 

[Older Beholder]

I consider a sellout/hack to be any person who requires a monetary incentive in order to be motivated to create art. And before you try to say it, no, that's not all artists, that's just all professional artists. And there's more than enough people who create simply for the joy of creating or making others happy to replace the professionals even without AI. These peopke were common and visible back around the turn of the century, but in the interim they've all been pushed into the background by people chasing the almighty dollar

It's sounding like you resent anyone talented enough to make a living from their art.

Just out of interest, when you say 'turn of the century' do you mean 2000 or 1900?

 

[Older Beholder]

Which brings me to another point. there is no art anymore, only content. For the past decade or so it seems like even the independent artists have been producing mass-market homegenized soulless corporate-style commercial slop. I remember a time - a brief time, it now seems to have come and gone very quickly, but it was a time that existed nonetheless - when people produced art on the internet simply for the love of expressing themselves and the love of art. Now that time has ended and everything is commercial and it makes me extremely sad.

You've just described the trailer from the OP.

 

[Mistwell]

They also valued freedom of speech and of the press, but I guess making money is more important?

As an aside, I value free speech as well. More that I value vulgar things like businesses or the job market. And more that that I believe that people should have the right to own their culture. Our culture - that is. the part of it that's relevant now, not what was our culture some 70 odd years ago - shouldn't be owned in its entirety by a handful of large corporations, it should be owned by the people

What on earth are you talking about. This art form is literally JAPANESE in origin made by people alive and still doing it in Japan and it's relatively new. It's not our culture! And Lord of the Rings isn't American either!

 

[Mannahnin]

What on earth are you talking about. This art form is literally JAPANESE in origin made by people alive and still doing it in Japan and it's relatively new. It's not our culture! And Lord of the Rings isn't American either!

Bohandas is talking about ethical principles general to humanity, not specific to a nation.

I'm not 100% in agreement, but these are fairly well established criticisms of the modern system of IP law. They're outside the mainstream of commercial law and practice, of course, because they're vociferously critical of it.

 

[Mistwell]

Bohandas is talking about ethical principles general to humanity, not specific to a nation.

He thinks there is a universal worldwide culture?

 

[Sacrosanct]

I'm going to be transparent, and admit my biases on this topic. While I'm an Indie Publisher and amateur artist, I'm lucky enough to have a full time job that allows me to do my projects and not make a profit. But over the 20+ years I've been doing this, I've built relationships with dozens and dozens of artists. Many of whom I consider good friends. They are professional artists barely scraping by.

So when I hear stuff like artists should create art to be used by "the people" and are bad people for trying to make a living at it, I get a bit defensive. It takes a LOT of time and effort to be a good artist. That cool picture took dozens of hours to create with hundreds or thousands of hours spent getting to that level. So while I and every other creative I know loves to create because we're creative people, it doesn't put a roof over my head or put food on the table.

The idea that artists aren't entitled to compensation seems so backwards to me, because the only entitlement I see is people feeling like they are entitled to another's work and labor and creations.