WotC Would you buy WotC products produced or enhanced with AI?

[kayakingpoodle]

We talked about the use of LLMs for search earlier. I think putting all that text into a LLM then using it to search and provide references for questions the author had would be very helpful. (Of course, they should check the references).


My guess is this becomes like the CA cancer labels, on every single product and of little use.

Not if it is done early, but that is a fair argument, that lable came far to late and is far too broad a rule to be of any value to consumers.

Which is why I used food labels as an example.

 

[Seramus]

For example, let's say that the editor/developer in charge of the the next Forgotten Realm setting book used AI to read, collate and answer questions about every previous FR supplement put out by TSR or WotC. Is that too far?

Personally, I wouldn't have a problem with current AI being used this way. In fact, a friend of mine does the same thing for his own homebrew setting and has the collated data put on his wiki. I WOULD have an issue if current gen AI generated the text or art of the next Forgotten Realms setting book itself, and wasn't just used as a reference.

But my answer will potentially change over the decades as AI thinking models steadily improve. At some point I assume AI will be able to mimic "imagination" sufficient to match or even exceed humans, and that's when things will get really spicy.

 

[Faolyn]

Does your job depend on it? Because the means to can't can't.

Also, I am guessing you won't have the option to turn it off relatively soon.

Right now, I'm disabled and jobless. When I worked, I was a supervisor in a day program for developmentally disabled adults. So no, my job didn't depend on AI. Or all that much on computers in general.

If a program or app doesn't let me not use AI (as opposed to having it there but being able to never use it), then I'll find a different program or app. But I have a hard time imagining a program of the type I use forcing me to use AI with absolutely no option to do what you want manually.

 

[mamba]

Scale is different, sure, process is identical.

didn’t you just thumbs-up

You say this with far too much certainty when our understanding of human thought and creativity is extremely limited

sounds like you should not be so sure about your claim, I’d even say it is way off from reality or you are abstracting it so far to be meaningless

 

[ECMO3]

Mate. The bots are literally trained on porn and anything remotely female they make will become sexualised and scantily clad. (Granted, the same is true for many human artists.) Then they censor their own creations as they accidentally created risque content even though no one asked for it. You can try to fight it with keywords, but the default is highly sexist. The biases in the training material go directly into the AI model, this is a big problem with a lot of AI stuff, and it is way bigger issue when AI is used to choose best job applications etc.

The body proportions on AI art of females in general is better that that of human artists in the fantasy RPG genre. Maybe they do a better job censoring it, maybe it is because their training data is more diverse and doesn't pull from the Barbie-in-chainmail-bikini trope that humans tend to favor.

I can't say specifically why it is better and less sexist, but it is certainly better and less sexist.

Now if you are looking at AI porn or AI movie star deep fakes or something like that maybe it isn't, but I don't look at that stuff much, I am talking about fantasy RPG art.

 

[Faolyn]

I wonder where some folks draw the line. Sure, AI generated imagery and text is a hard pass for lots of folks (me included -- mostly because if that is what WotC were selling, i could do the same myself cheaper). But at what point does "AI help" become too much AI invovlement?

For example, let's say that the editor/developer in charge of the the next Forgotten Realm setting book used AI to read, collate and answer questions about every previous FR supplement put out by TSR or WotC. Is that too far?

I am very much anti generative AI, but I would consider that to be an acceptable use, assuming that the editor/dev/writer/whatever then takes that collated information and has actual humans write the book. Likewise, I would consider it OK for an artist to have AI to make a model and then use that as reference, because in this case the actual art is being created by actual humans.

 

[mamba]

So if you want "imaginative" AI, then we just need to do is score a bunch of "imaginative" things.

that is so not how imagination or current AI works…

 

[overgeeked]

I turn it off where I can and don't use it where I can't.

Exactly. The notion that's it's in everything and there's zero way to avoid it is nonsense.

 

[ECMO3]

I have had huge trouble using MidJourney to make women who didn’t look like models or who don’t show cleavage.

I don't know how that is relevant. I am comparing AI art to human artists. What did the human Artists do with their similar images?

I am not saying AI art is perfect, all I am saying is that it is generally better than human artists when it comes to female body proportions for fantasy RPG art.

 

[overgeeked]

Which uh....wont happen in any of our lifetimes.

Well, not with an attitude like that.