WotC Would you buy WotC products produced or enhanced with AI?

[The Firebird]

I mean, a D&D news site is about as targeted as you're likely to get. Should people be asking about AI in WotC books in Walmart or at a UFC prize fight? Maybe my grandma's knitting club will have a more representative opinion!

Agree in general that ENWorld is pretty good to target. But I'd guess creatives who make their living off producing RPG content are overrepresented relative to the general fan base. And these people have a lot more to fear, and therefore much more reason to oppose, AI.

 

[Morrus]

I think debate whether LLMs or similar models have "imagination" is the wrong debate.

The wrong debate for you.

The debate that matters,

The debate that matters to you.

It is, however, the debate we are having.

I think, is whether people will a) be willing to tell the difference between AI generated exertainment and human generated entertainment, and b) whether they will care.

I think that (b) in particular has some really problematic ramifications way beyond the scope of AI and art. If we decide we'll excuse everything if people aren't aware of it and/or don't care about it, we're describing a really dystopian future. We're in Black Mirror territory when we're having this discussion.

 

[overgeeked]

Oh I completely agree that the witnessing of art is as important as the production of it and has its own, separate, value.

However in the discussion of AI, it's those who create art who are being devalued, not the consumers.

Yes, “AI” art utterly devalues the humans who create art and it's utterly unethical and illegal how the current models treat them.

My point was only that art is in the eye of the beholder just as much if not more than in the act of creation. Viewing something and judging it to be "art" is most of the process in turning some random bits of color on a canvas from some random bits of color on a canvas into ART. Even if you know your kid's finger painting is lacking in anything remotely like skill, as a loving parent you can still think of it as art. We infuse meaning into the color and lines. We make it into art.

 

[kayakingpoodle]

Asking what the lowest common denominator is, shouldn't be what matters however, but I think this discussion spirals at this point so whatever.

9 out of 10 children voted for candy for dinner.

Sadly modern society values lowest price that meets the bare minimum specs is the absolute best deal. Just look at most houses last 30 years built in the U.S. meets "code" = it was built to the absolute minimum acceptable standard. This is not good in any industry!

 

[Scribe]

Sadly modern society values lowest price that meets the bare minimum specs is the absolute best deal. Just look at most houses last 30 years built in the U.S. meets "code" = it was built to the absolute minimum acceptable standard. This is not good in any industry!

Race you to the bottom!

 

[The Firebird]

I find it interesting, and this is a generalization, that a significant portion of those praising "ai" are largely the easiest to be replaced by it in the short term. By that I mean they love it because it makes there life easy and saves them money so why isn't everyone tripping over themselves to use it, how long before it just removes them from the equation?

There are already ways to detect its use in academic uses, the days are all but gone to use it on a paper without getting caught.

Hmm. I'm skeptical about how easy it will be to detect intelligent use of AI. Copy and paste, sure.

Regarding replacement, I don't think that is right. For me AI is replacing the uncreative and uninteresting parts of my work. I'd love for it to be successful because then I can get onto the interesting things.

 

[kayakingpoodle]

Race you to the bottom!

Go!!!

 

[ezo]

Yeah, time will tell. (That's why I'm careful to say "current" gen AI.)

Yep... time will tell.

But to be fair, I didn't bring up scale; you did.

Well, you did really...

No human being ingests petabytes of info, shoves it through a 10 to 100+ megawatt datacenter full of thousands of ultra-fast processors, to reduce it all down into some multi-billion-dimensional arrays of probability vectors.... and then automagically pop out perfect imagery on command.

In fact a human artist (or any other human for that matter) operates at about 100 watts, gradually processes a few gigs of experiences through limited sensory inputs, ponders and muses at something like 10 or 100bps, practices, maybe confers with others, and gradually improves in skill, starting from varying degrees of innate talent.

and such.

I just said AI "learns", and real artists learn, from other artists. Consciously or not, real artists find things they like and mimic them, immitate them, etc. as well as extrapolate to create something new. AI does much the same thing.

I said current gen AI and humans are fundamentally different in ways that are not attributable to scale. E.g., throwing more images at a human doesn't make that person a better, faster artist; but that's exactly how you get better faster gen AIs. And building a gen AI from human levels of training data, energy, and bandwidth doesn't yield a functional app, much less a human-level artist.

I disagree. Exposure to more art and artists ("throwing more images at a human...") does make that person a better (perhaps faster???) artist. It is one way we learn, among others.

 

[soviet]

Sadly modern society values lowest price that meets the bare minimum specs is the absolute best deal. Just look at most houses last 30 years built in the U.S. meets "code" = it was built to the absolute minimum acceptable standard. This is not good in any industry!

I don't know what you mean by 'modern society' here. I don't think that for example diminishing standards in buidling construction are a reflection of a change in what people who want to buy houses value. They are a reflection of what standards authorities are prepared to enforce in terms of building construction and of changes in the power dynamic of modern capitalist societies that increasingly favour the interests of capital over people.

 

[overgeeked]

Sadly modern society values lowest price that meets the bare minimum specs is the absolute best deal. Just look at most houses last 30 years built in the U.S. meets "code" = it was built to the absolute minimum acceptable standard. This is not good in any industry!

Race you to the bottom!

You mean you willingly climb aboard the giant metal tube that flies through the air when you know it was both built and maintained by the lowest bidder?