WotC Would you buy WotC products produced or enhanced with AI?

[Scribe]

It's why I keep going back to the question, how do we, the TTRPG community, help transition the current/legacy creators out of their current pay model and into something new?

"Hope you like the Construction business!"

 

[LordEntrails]

"Hope you like the Construction business!"

Well, if that's the best the community has for our current Creators, then I think Kris McDermott was the wisest of the bunch.

 

[Scribe]

Well, if that's the best the community has for our current Creators, then I think Kris McDermott was the wisest of the bunch.

As long as there is a belief that 'AI content is here' with all the massive negative impacts it will bring, then yes you have 2 options.

1. Refuse to engage with it and the companies which choose to do so, while you work only with real artists, paid a living wage.
2. Their art becomes a hobby, and they get a construction/labour job.

 

[MoonSong]

Hmm, interesting. Maybe AI shouldn't ever be used. But what about ethical AI? What about the single producers that can now generate? Why are we oppressing them?

Show me one and I'll spread the word.

 

[Faolyn]

So you believe sapience is required to create. Well if that's your view then no point in discussing that further. Though I will say, that pretty much goes against every definition of create I'm familiar with.

At the very least, sentience is required.

Please provide evidence that AI is either sentient/sapient or is truly able to create something new without being sentient/sapient.

Well, it was responding to that all farmers were happy with automation. But as for the skills argument. The market decided that it did not need the best most skilled created good. A kitchen chair built by a machine was good enough, especially at the fraction of the price, of a chair built but an expert carpenter.

How very elitist to believe that everything created must be the absolute best that can be created. In general, that's just not true. And the people purchasing the items decided they were fine with "good enough".

I wasn't aware "paying people decent wages" was considered elitist.

What? You definition of creativity is very limiting. And then you are telling me what I am and am not... ok. So now you are telling me what I must do to be a gamer. Really?

So you didn't answer my question.

You said, and I quote, "Why would I want to learn a skill that may well be mostly obsolete in a few years?" So do you actually believe that human creativity is going to be obsolete?

Because if you do, then you're also saying that RPGs themselves--a hobby that relies almost entirely on creativity (except for the parts that rely on basic math skills)--is also going to be obsolete. If you really believe that human creativity is going to be obsolete, then why even bother to game now? After all, there's no point--in a few years, you can just watch a group of computers play the game for you.

Except people have been taking things from each other since the beginning of time. So yea, it's not the lowest bar.

And? Do you consider it a good thing to take things that don't belong to you? Do you think that taking things that don't belong to you to be beneficial to society in some manner, particularly when such things are being used for entertainment purposes?

 

[Scribe]

I wasn't aware "paying people decent wages" was considered elitist.

Right? lol

"How do we pivot to an AI industry?"

Other than 'you dont' you simply kneecap the vast majority of artists. Its that simple.

 

[MoonSong]

AI discussion will inevitably turn to people talking about the importance of prompts, and trying to elevate it to a craft. If you can get people to accept this, you can dismiss bad AI art because the person who generated it just doesn't know how to use it. I don't think I've ever seen a discussion about AI not go there. I'm personally inclined to agree with you, if "AI Stimulation Manager" ever becomes a job I can't imagine it would be for very long. It just doesn't seem like a great long term strategy to become a skilled worker attached so closely to something that has companies salivating over how many skilled workers they can replace with it.

Prompt engineering will never be a thing. Experience with a model doesn't transfer betwern models (mightn't between versions) and optimizing prompts is something the models themselves can do. No matter how much "skill" the user brings, the results are largely random and unpredictable with most of the result beyond true user control.

 

[Necropolitan]

It's going to happen. It doesn't matter what you want.

Y'all said the same thing about cryptocurrency, NFTs, THE BLOCKCHAIN!, etc.

How'd that work out?

Also as numerous people have pointed out the secret ingredient in AI is crime. Theft of intellectual property to be exact.

Stealing is bad, especially when you use what you steal to steal the jobs of the people doing the actual work.

 

[Faolyn]

Cool.

Not me!

Yes, WotC has the resources to easily avoid AI generated art. Hopefully they will continue to do so.

But I will not support ANY creator using AI generated art in their projects. If you want to share an RPG with the world (or any other artistic project), do it right. Does that limit creators with low budgets? Yup, and I'm okay with that.

Totally agree. I've seen lots of indie creators on Itch use clip art or otherwise public domain art, silhouettes, scribbles or stick figures, or even just clever use of shapes, colors, or fonts to decorate their material. Any of these things are preferable to AI.

 

[Faolyn]

So we say their is no one right way to play. But apparently there is only one right way to create.

Yes. The right way to create is to create, not plagiarize.