WotC Would you buy WotC products produced or enhanced with AI?

[The Firebird]

No, but you should learn how creativity and inspiration work and how they're completely different from how generative AI works.

I agree with you. But how do you think creativity and inspiration work?

 

[kayakingpoodle]

No. I'm not victim blaming and what has already been done has been done. It will be decided in courts of law whether it was illegal or not and whether it will continue or not. Whether it was ethical or not will not help any artists who lose their jobs because of the new technology.

But apparently you don't care enough to lessen the harm to artists with any practical solutions. You do you. I will still seek ways to lessen the harm.

The absolute best way to "lessen" the harm is to abstain from using the tool causing the harm!

 

[Faolyn]

I agree with you. But how do you think creativity and inspiration work?

Inspiration is the spark that makes you go "Hey! I have an idea!"

Creativity is turning that spark into reality.

Skill is being creative but in a way so that the final product has the form you want.

 

[LordEntrails]

It is the they that chose to steal rather than compensate the creators when deciding how they wanted to build the tool.

Has that been found to be the case in a court of law? Until it is found to be so in a significant number of courts, public opinion is not legally binding.

The absolute best way to "lessen" the harm is to abstain from using the tool causing the harm!

Fo how long? I've never said that boycotts would work for the immediate term. But they don't work long term. So do you want protections for RPG artists for a dozen months or something that will last decades into the future?

The next generation isn't going to care about what our generation did. They are going to look at the tools available to them (including AI) and use what gives them want they want for the price they are willing to pay. And the very best art from the very best writers at top price is not what's going to work for the majority. Most people are happy with 70% of the quality at 10% of the price. Only a few will want the best of the best.

 

[Faolyn]

I'm not so sure about that.

I might hear a song on the radio and think "Hey, that's a cool sound they've got" and in effect 'scrape' that sound such that when I next get together with some guys to play tunes I'll try to incorporate that sound into what we're doing. Ditto if a song's lyrics contain a good line, I 'scrape' it and build on it later (hopefully in a different direction than the song in which I first heard it!).

When you say "hey, that's a cool sound" and then get together with your friends, you're not going to create a perfect copy of that sound, no matter how hard you try. First off, you didn't hear that sound in the exact same way it was produced--you heard it through the distortions caused by the radio and the structure of your ears and skull. And when you perform it, the tune will be changed by your imperfect memories, your skill level, your particular instruments, your ability to keep rhythm, the acoustics of your current location, and the agility and strength behind your hands and breath (depending on what instrument you play). Even if you get the sheet music and the original, it will still be at least a little different from the original. But most likely, you're going to be putting your own spin on this piece, even if only unconsciously, unless you make an effort to copy the music as exactly as possible. And even then, it will still be a little bit different.

Scraping is simply copying a lot of data at once. It's not learning or being inspired by what it's told to scrape. It's just converting it all into ones and zeroes and tagging it for later use by someone else who then uses the right tags in their prompt.

 

[Necropolitan]

The next generation isn't going to care about what our generation did. They are going to look at the tools available to them (including AI) and use what gives them want they want for the price they are willing to pay. And the very best art from the very best writers at top price is not what's going to work for the majority. Most people are happy with 70% of the quality at 10% of the price. Only a few will want the best of the best.

Cool motive, still theft.

Thomson Reuters Enterprise Centre GMBH v. Ross Intelligence Inc. says it's not only copyright violation but that it's bad that AI is being used to compete with the people AI creators are stealing from:

"Even taking all facts in favor of Ross, it meant to compete with Westlaw by developing a market substitute. D.I. 752-1 at 4. And it does not matter whether Thomson Reuters has used the data to train its own legal search tools; the effect on a potential market for AI training data is enough."

 

[mamba]

I might hear a song on the radio and think "Hey, that's a cool sound they've got" and in effect 'scrape' that sound such that when I next get together with some guys to play tunes I'll try to incorporate that sound into what we're doing.

yeah, that already is not how AI does it…

EDIT: for something closer to what AI does look at ‘Praise You’ by Fatboy Slim


You can jump to 17:30 where they have constructed the song from the various samples. Every color is a sample taken from a different track

 

[Waller]

Has that been found to be the case in a court of law? Until it is found to be so in a significant number of courts, public opinion is not legally binding.

Has piracy been found to be illegal in a court of law? Is this a serious question?

Yes, it has. Hundreds of times.

It’s really simple. Big corporations like Meta etc. have been caught red-handed pirating torrented archives of books etc. they didn’t pay for in order to train their AIs. This is piracy, and it is illegal, and individuals get hammered for it. By courts. Legally binding ones.

I don’t know why you think piracy is not illegal or why you’re repeatedly defending it.

 

[Waller]

I'm not so sure about that.

I might hear a song on the radio and think "Hey, that's a cool sound they've got" and in effect 'scrape' that sound such that when I next get together with some guys to play tunes I'll try to incorporate that sound into what we're doing. Ditto if a song's lyrics contain a good line, I 'scrape' it and build on it later (hopefully in a different direction than the song in which I first heard it!).

No, what you do is not even slightly similar to what an AI does. They might have a similar outcome but the processes do not resemble each other in any way.

 

[Waller]

No, but you should learn how creativity and inspiration work and how they're completely different from how generative AI works.

This.