D&D General Melf's Guide to Greyhawk: The Shield Lands

[Mannahnin]

Conan is past, Dying Earth is future, Lankhmar is neither.

Leiber does lampshade portal fantasy by having a story (Adept's Gambit) in which the duo visit our world.

 

[Voadam]

Leiber does lampshade portal fantasy by having a story where the duo visit our world in Adept's Gambit.

He also has that one story where there is a brief appearance of a German(?) dimensional explorer from Earth, I believe. Can't remember the name of the character or story unfortunately.

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

He also has that one story where there is a brief appearance of a German(?) dimensional explorer from Earth, I believe. Can't remember the name of the character or story unfortunately.

I believe it's midway through the Fafhrd & Grey Mouser cycle, when they're on the mountain dealing with invisible flying people. (An early horny story of his, since Leiber was apparently into the idea of sex with invisible people -- that happens twice in the stories.)

 

[Voadam]

Well, they are not portal Fantasy...but they are also set in the future or past.

Conan is past, Dying Earth is future, Lankhmar is neither.

On that same note I think Tolkien's Middle Earth is also supposed to be set in a mythical past age of Earth similar to Conan.

 

[Mannahnin]

On that same note I think Tolkien's Middle Earth is also supposed to be set in a mythical past age of Earth similar to Conan.

It is indeed.

 

[Parmandur]

Conan is past, Dying Earth is future, Lankhmar is neither.

Or is it...?

 

[Parmandur]

On that same note I think Tolkien's Middle Earth is also supposed to be set in a mythical past age of Earth similar to Conan.

It was originally, but thst never made it to print until the History of Middle Earth.

 

[pemerton]

It was originally, but thst never made it to print until the History of Middle Earth.

?? It's evident in the maps in LotR, and in the narration of The Hobbit which expressly refers to the world of the story as being in the author and reader's past.

Of course Howard's Conan, Leiber's Fafhrd and the Mouser, and Vance's Dying Earth are not portal fantasy

Patrice Louinet's critical edition of the REH Conan stories begins with a poem, Cimmeria, which is not portal fantasy but is "recovered memory" fantasy. There is a type of link/projection between the author and the protagonist in Conan that is not a portal link, but is still there in a certain way.

 

[Mannahnin]

It was originally, but thst never made it to print until the History of Middle Earth.

You're forgetting that it's part of the introductory chapters/framing device of both The Hobbit and LotR.

?? It's evident in the maps in LotR, and in the narration of The Hobbit which expressly refers to the world of the story as being in the author and reader's past.

Not as much the maps, though there's a vague similarity.

Patrice Louinet's critical edition of the REH Conan stories begins with a poem, Cimmeria, which is not portal fantasy but is "recovered memory" fantasy. There is a type of link/projection between the author and the protagonist in Conan that is not a portal link, but is still there in a certain way.

There's a 1932 Howard short story, People of the Dark, in which a modern man of our world recalls a past life as Conan of the Reavers (rather than Conan the Cimmerian) and Conan is an Irish raider attacking the Britons. But it seems to be not the same Conan, despite the description otherwise matching.

 

[Voadam]

Conan also has a modern day Wolverine get sent back to Conan's time in a What If Marvel Comics story from the 80s. So eventually.