AI/LLMs Where is the "Ideas Guy Revolution" of Creativity and Productivity?

[Bill Zebub]

Um... "most people" don't determine if you get a job.

Corporate America is filled with executives who care more about the bottom line than quality.

Our collected experience of "enbleepification" comes from that basic fact.

I almost responded to this, but I don't think there's any point. I guess we'll see what happens.

But I do have to point out: I don't think you understand what Cory Doctorow meant by en@#$%ification. It has nothing to do with business executives sacrificing quality to improve the bottom line.

 

[Scribe]

I keep seeing talk that AI augments people's creativity and makes game creation and creative work more accessible to a broad audience.

We've had heavily subsidized OpenAI and Google models for a while now. Companies are basically giving away this marvelous and extremely expensive technology away for free to capture market share. It's been a while. These models can crank out thousands of pages per minute. Hundreds of picture perfect 4K art that put whoever WotC commissions for original art to shame. AI creators had the technological capacity to crank out 10^12 copies of Infinite Jest at this point.

Yet, where are those magnum opii? Where is the big AI american novel? Where is the Claude coded indie video game to break sales records? Where is the next big AI graphic novel? Where is the OSR iteration to fix AD&D for good?

Where are they?

I mean, I believe AI generated novels are a dime a dozen on Amazon?

I could absolutely generate a ton of art for an RPG book if I was so inclined.
I could without a doubt get a TON of work on my own game done with ChatGPT based on my (again employer mandated) experience with it at work. In fact I bet it would save me months of real time that I do not have to do it the 'real way'.

We already see adventures generated with AI uploaded to DriveThru.

Hell, I'll do a little experiment after work, but I dont even have a personal ChatGPT and I doubt my work wants me doing it on theirs...

So...its out there, for people who want to use it. The part that it doesnt fix? Marketing.

 

[Umbran]

But I do have to point out: I don't think you understand what Cory Doctorow meant by en@#$%ification. It has nothing to do with business executives sacrificing quality to improve the bottom line.

1) Don't make this personal. It is not about what I know about Cory Doctorow's writing - it is about whether the point I made is, in some sense, valid.

2) If you do make it personal... maybe be correct?
(emphasis mine)
"En@#$%tification, also known as platform decay, is a process in which two-sided online products and services decline in quality over time. Initially, vendors create high-quality offerings to attract users, then they degrade those offerings to better serve business customers, and finally degrade their services to both users and business customers to maximize short-term profits for shareholders."

Or,

Spoiler: in Doctorow's unreadacted words

Here is how platforms die: first, they are good to their users; then they abuse their users to make things better for their business customers; finally, they abuse those business customers to claw back all the value for themselves. Then, they die. I call this enshittification...

Doctorow's term does include the action of executives caring less about quality and more about the bottom line. Thanks, much.

 

[Bill Zebub]

1) Don't make this personal. It is not about what I know about Cory Doctorow's writing - it is about whether the point I made is, in some sense, valid.
2) If you do make it personal... maybe be correct?
(emphasis mine)
"En@#$%tification, also known as platform decay, is a process in which two-sided online products and services decline in quality over time. Initially, vendors create high-quality offerings to attract users, then they degrade those offerings to better serve business customers, and finally degrade their services to both users and business customers to maximize short-term profits for shareholders."

Or,

Spoiler: in Doctorow's unreadacted words

Here is how platforms die: first, they are good to their users; then they abuse their users to make things better for their business customers; finally, they abuse those business customers to claw back all the value for themselves. Then, they die. I call this enshittification...

Doctorow's term does include the action of executives caring less about quality and more about the bottom line. Thanks, much.

If you don't see how what he describes is fundamentally different from simply cutting quality in order to save money, then that's yet another topic not worth continuing to discuss.

EDIT: Ok, fair enough. You did originally say "Corporate America is filled with executives who care more about the bottom line than quality" of which cutting quality in order to save money is only a sub-set. I misinterpreted your words. I was too narrowly focused on the example of firing humans and replacing them with AI, which has nothing to do with en#$%@ification. So I'll cede the point.

 

[trappedslider]

Being sent death threats if anyone mentions using AI, kind of makes people keep their heads down.

Most recent actual attack was Sam Altman with in the past two weeks. There are other anecdotes about online harassment including death threats to both writers and artist who use AI in any way.

 

[The Firebird]

Being sent death threats if anyone mentions using AI, kind of makes people keep their heads down.

Most recent actual attack was Sam Altman with in the past two weeks. There are other anecdotes about online harassment including death threats to both writers and artist who use AI in any way.

Yeah, even though my AI workflows don't really touch creative stuff, I am hesitant to say I used AI in many parts of the RPG community. I don't think I'd get death threats but there are many negative responses.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

Being sent death threats if anyone mentions using AI, kind of makes people keep their heads down.
Most recent actual attack was Sam Altman with in the past two weeks. There are other anecdotes about online harassment including death threats to both writers and artist who use AI in any way.

Altman got fire thrown at him for reasons other than ai.

 

[Bill Zebub]

Yeah, even though my AI workflows don't really touch creative stuff, I am hesitant to say I used AI in many parts of the RPG community. I don't think I'd get death threats but there are many negative responses.

People seem to feel the need to express their displeasure.

 

[Morrus]

People seem to feel the need to express their displeasure.

People are entitled to express their views regarding ethics, and not be pressured into silence. We have not prevented you from presenting your position, have we? If you think somebody is breaking the rules, report it. Otherwise, they are as entitled as you to express their opinions.

 

[Bill Zebub]

Wow. Really? That earned me red text?

naughty word you, Morris. Please delete my account.