When did gnomes fall from grace?

Staffan · Jun 7, 2005

LordMelquiades said:
Eberron presents them as diplomatic, intriguing lovers of espionage - oh and elemental binders - oh and... they speak to badgers.

Yeah, speaking to various rodents certainly can't be useful to a spy.

Patryn of Elvenshae · Jun 7, 2005

Staffan said:
Yeah, speaking to various rodents certainly can't be useful to a spy.

Besides, who can pass up the chance to spout, "You dirty rat ..."

And the rat responds!

Pure gold!!

I need more exclamation points!

Droogie · Jun 8, 2005

LordMelquiades said:
Going with the Eberron spin, what makes a good substitute for speaking with moles?

How about taking away their supernatural and spell-like abilities and give them the extra feat and skill point like humans?

LordMelquiades · Jun 8, 2005

Staffan said:
Yeah, speaking to various rodents certainly can't be useful to a spy.

(Assuming sarcasm) Well, you know, according to my new favorite webpage - (http://www.enchantedlearning.com/coloring/Underground.shtml - rodents aren't burrowing animals. Or at least rats aren't. But I admit my knowledge of fossorial creatures is limited.

Besides, what could the rat tell you? To what degree can a rat's brain comprehend and communicate the kind of information of importance to a spy?

"Hey, ratty. Was Lady Morderden ir'Wynarn here? Or was it her sister, Lady Organa? When she discussed Aundair's assistance with repairs to the broken bridges in Karrnath, did she say 'The owls fly better over a broken bridge'? And was she wearing a pink carnation, or a lilac? Whaddya mean, 'gimme some cheese or I'll infect you'?"

LordMelquiades · Jun 8, 2005

Droogie said:
How about taking away their supernatural and spell-like abilities and give them the extra feat and skill point like humans?

Well, arguably the other spell-like abilities (dancing lights, ghost sound, prestidigitation) do play to both the bardic and spy-like angles. Eberron gnomes are elementals binders - I wonder if there's anything here that could be used, eg spells cast relating to elementals +1 (or even the elements) are cast at +1 effective level.

Richards · Jun 8, 2005

Originally posted by Patryn of Elvenshae:

I need more exclamation points!

Here you can have some of my spares: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Johnathan

Mark Plemmons · Jun 8, 2005

For those who aren't in the know...

Friend and Foe: Gnomes and Kobolds

PDF preview here

We now return you to your regularly scheduled programming.

Vocenoctum · Jun 8, 2005

LordMelquiades said:
Still, everything in the core rules needed to be in Eberron, so...

Comparing the halfling stats to the dinosaur riders in Eberron, I'd say picking on the one little gnome ability is a bit much. Perhaps they can speak to burrowing animals because they're a magical people? It's not a major ability, just remove it if it offends you.

Mouseferatu · Jun 8, 2005

Staffan said:
Yeah, speaking to various rodents certainly can't be useful to a spy.

On behalf of all rodents everywhere, I resent that.

Soel · Jun 8, 2005

Red Spire Press said:
How could I resist an opportunity to plug one of my favorite Dark Legacies races. Forget tinker gnomes, babbling inventors, and illusionists -- pah! Bring on the fearless war-mongering novags!

Thanx for the preview, Yuval!

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