Find the Anime Challenge

TwinBahamut · Oct 15, 2007

Mad Mac said:
The bottom 3 are all classical anime styles. The only one that makes me hesitate is the 1983 pic...

I'm going to make a guess and say that the 1983 pic is from the anime "World Masterpiece Theater" series, the decades long project about making anime adaptations of various books from around the world. I am pretty sure Hayao Miyazaki worked a lot in that in his early years before Studio Ghibli.

At the very least, the art style in the 1983 pic is similar to the World Masterpiece Theater style.

But that guess is a stab in the dark.

Edit:Okay, a short investigation later, and it turns out my guess was wrong, but was close. The 1983 anime "Alice in Wonderland" was not part of World Masterpiece Theater, but shared creative staff with that series.

Geron Raveneye · Oct 15, 2007

Yeah, I was about to say that the 1983 version of Alice definitely was drawn by japanese, simply because there was a big influx of japanese adaptions of children stories into german TV back then...Pinoccio, Maja the Bee, Alice in Wonderland, and a whole slew of others were shown here along with Captain Future. :lol:

Hussar · Oct 16, 2007

Raven Crowking said:
*snip*

Of course, this might be the root of the problem.

From where I sit, you haven't supplied even moderately rigorous proofs, and I question how well you've read anyone else's posts in this thread if you are unaware that your "proofs" have been challenged.

While I am more than willing to say that a DM can play any game he wants, if he thinks that his game is "proving" something, I am certainly allowed to dispute that claim.

RC

Well, passive/agressive snark regarding my reading skills aside, if you have a specific issue you'd like to discuss, then, by all means do so. Otherwise, simply making vague allusions to things that are apparently not self-evident isn't all that constructive don't you think?

Look other than a couple of posters, most people don't seem to have a problem here. My suggestion is that if you have a problem, please ignore the thread and leave it for another time. Or, better yet, start your own thread. If you have anything constructive to add, please do so.

Hussar · Oct 16, 2007

Just as a clarification, in case it wasn't obvious.

The challenge isn't to convince someone else. The challenge is not to convince Pirate Cat or some unknown mod or even you (whoever you are reading this). No, the challenge is, can you make a strong enough argument to convince ME. That's what makes me your sig slave. Am I an unbiased judge? Dunno. Don't care. Not my problem. The challenge is to make an argument that is strong enough to convince ME.

There's no universality to this. I'm not trying to prove anything. I'm just showing, quite well IMO, that those who claim the strong anime influences in D&D art don't really know what they're talking about. Is there an anime influence? Quite probably. But, no more so than the influence of anime on any other pop media.

Yet, we never hear people make that complaint. "D&D art is SO Marvel Comics" "D&D art looks too much like Frank Miller" are just things that so called critics never say. No, it's "D&D art is anime crap". Even when it's not.

Maggan · Oct 16, 2007

Hussar said:
But, no more so than the influence of anime on any other pop media.

To me, D&D art is sooooo Andy Warhol!

Great thread, btw!

/M

jasin · Oct 16, 2007

How about this?

Look at her oversized eyes, sharp little nose, spikey hair...

Branduil · Oct 16, 2007

Nifft said:
So. These are all pictures of girls named "Alice". Some are from Western media, some are from Anime.

Just to refresh ourselves on what Anime looks like vs. what Western stuff looks like.

I know 1951 is Western and 2007 is Anime. Anyone care to guess the ones in between?

Cheers, -- N

Objection! None of the 2002 girls are Alice, at least not yet.

Sir Sebastian Hardin · Oct 16, 2007

Teemu said:
I don't have the time to read the whole thread so I don't know if this has been posted already, but this picture of Kelemvor - look at his face. That's an anime/manga face.

This is the clearest anime-style example. It doesn't have huge eyes, but in most anime-styles, mature men are drawn with small, serious eyes, like this one's.

This, and the horrible tieflings from page 9 are the most anime-ish of all the images posted.

Maggan · Oct 16, 2007

Sir Sebastian Hardin said:
This is the clearest anime-style example.

Wow. That just shows how little I know of anime. I would never have called that picture anime. All I think of is Artesia (http://www.artesiaonline.com).

Indeed, looking at the Artesia site, it's the same artist. Never knew that qualified as anime. Live and learn, I guess.

/M

Raven Crowking · Oct 16, 2007

Hussar said:
Am I an unbiased judge? Dunno. Don't care. Not my problem. The challenge is to make an argument that is strong enough to convince ME.

and

I'm not trying to prove anything.

directly contradict

I'm just showing, quite well IMO, that those who claim the strong anime influences in D&D art don't really know what they're talking about.

So, the answer is, I don't believe that any argument is strong enough to convince you. That does not mean that I agree that "those who claim the strong anime influences in D&D art don't really know what they're talking about".

Certainly, if you were honest about your challenge, the opinion of an unbiased and knowledgeable judge ought to be sufficient to sway your opinion as to whether "those who claim the strong anime influences in D&D art don't really know what they're talking about" or not. I know it would sway my opinion.

In conclusion, you are certainly in your rights to keep your contest however you like. So long as you maintain that you're "showing...that those who claim the strong anime influences in D&D art don't really know what they're talking about", though, I'm going to continue pointing out that your biased demonstration does nothing of the kind.

RC

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