opportunity attacks

TheUltramark

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attacks of opportunity - in the following example, Bob and Jim are fighting monster a, Jim provokes an AO when he leaves the green square, but...does monster A provoke Bob if he makes the attack?
if yes, why isn't that written down anywhere
if no, why doesn't it, logically?
 

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mudlock

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Is Bob a fighter (edit: or knight or cavalier?)? Because it sounds like you're confusing opportunity attacks with a fighter's combat challenge.

Only two things provoke opportunity attacks: trying to leave a threatened square, and making a ranged or area attack while in a threatened square.

Typically, an opportunity attack is a melee basic attack.

Since opportunity attacks are melee attacks, not ranged or area attacks, they do not provoke more opportunity attacks.

On an ENTIRELY DIFFERENT topic, when a (weapon master) fighter has a creature marked, and that creature makes an attack that doesn't involve the fighter, the fighter can make a melee basic attack against them as an immediate action.

An immediate action is not the same as an opportunity action, even though the end result--you make a melee basic attack--is the same. And yes, if Bob has A marked, and A makes an opportunity attack against Jim, then Bob could use Combat Challenge to take an immediate action to attack A.

If this is what's causing your confusion, I'd suggest re-reading the fighter's Combat Challenge power, and the sections on opportunity and immediate actions.

EDIT: Also: defender's aura (for knight fighters and cavalier paladins) might also be the cause of your confusion, since those powers operate similarly (but not identically) to combat challenge. Re-read them.
 
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mneme

Explorer
That. The only things that provoke are moving (without shifting) and making ranged or area attacks.

They guy with the bow can safely hit the guy with a sword from 40 feet away. So between the 39 squares where they're engaged, he has the advantage in 38 of them. However, in the 39th (eg, adjacent), the guy with the sword has the advantage, as it's hard to keep the bow guarding you when you're busy attacking with it; not so much with a melee weapon.

Almost the same applies in the real world with a gun vs a knife. The gun is a superior weapon in almost every situation--unless you're actually in close arm's reach, where things get a lot more dicey.
 

TheUltramark

First Post
OK OK OK
I know what the rule says, I am asking about the practicality (as much as d&d can be practical) of it.

If you are fighting a guy in a bar, and a guy runs past you, and you decide to sly wrap him in the jaw, aren't you turning your attention away from the original guy you are fighting???

picture it
 

mudlock

First Post
picture it

No.

Arguing "realism" is a fool's errand.

I'll help with rules, but the rules are EXPLICITLY a rough ABSTRACTION of "reality" (where "reality" is "reality plus dragons and magic and stuff") in order to make a fun and relatively simple game; if you don't like how the abstraction is abstracting, I have nothing to say to you.
 

TheUltramark

First Post
No.

Arguing "realism" is a fool's errand.

I'll help with rules, but the rules are EXPLICITLY a rough ABSTRACTION of "reality" (where "reality" is "reality plus dragons and magic and stuff") in order to make a fun and relatively simple game; if you don't like how the abstraction is abstracting, I have nothing to say to you.

...if I don't like how the abstraction is abstracting.......
..........:-S ............
you win
 

hayek

Explorer
Yeah, i'm not sure why you jumped to opportunity attacks, you should go back to the part where jim and bob and monster A all politely decide to take turns swinging at each other, and bob has to say, "now jim, I know you don't want monster A to run away, but it's his turn, so let him double-move his full 60 feet, then he'll stop and let us catch up to him on our turn if we want".

Combat isn't supposed to be totally realistic. You need a different game if you want that level of simulation (not that there's anything wrong with that, but d&d isn't gonna provide it)
 

IanB

First Post
OK OK OK
I know what the rule says, I am asking about the practicality (as much as d&d can be practical) of it.

If you are fighting a guy in a bar, and a guy runs past you, and you decide to sly wrap him in the jaw, aren't you turning your attention away from the original guy you are fighting???

picture it

If the original guy is a skilled fighter and watching me closely (read: he's a defender and has 'marked' me) then he gets to swing*, sure. ;)

*Or shoot me with holy lasers, etc.
 

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