[d20M] H&K MP7

Bagpuss said:

I was going from the energy levels from the technical specs on the website listed above, which puts it very similar if a better penetrator than the 5.56mm round.

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Having a similar discussion at the Spycraft forum. I was informed that this month's Polyhedron has the P90 listed at 2d8. Based on muzzle energy, I'd agree with the 2d4.

The MP7 has 310 ft-lbs. of energy at the muzzle
The P90 = 378 ft-lbs
M16/AR15 = 1,289 ft-lbs
12 gauge slug = 1,675 ft-lbs.

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I'ld certainly wouldn't have it as 2d4, as thats a .22 revolver round not rifle round, this more behind it than that.

2d6 seems a resonable compromise.

[There now follows a mini-rant]
It is a shame that thanks to the D20 Modern sticking to D&D armour system that good penetration effectively counts for nothing.

Selecting the right weapon for the job is a lot of the tactics of modern firearms, in most other modern settings. With no specialist ammunition types, no real armour, and no penetration you've reduced firearms to just grab the biggest you can conceal/afford.

Firearms are the "magic weapons" of modern games (at least in a none-magical setting), kind of would have been nice to have some variety.

Bagpuss said:

Range: 60 ft.

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That should probably be about 40 ft. 200 meters is just over 650 feet. Using the formula the design team used, it would look like: 650 / 3 x 2 / 10 rounded down. That gives you a 40 ft. range increment, and it allows Far Shot and a scope (the optional sight) to further improve that range. Far Shot would increase the range increment to 60 feet, and coupled with a scope, you're talking about a 80 foot range increment. That looks about right to me.

The scope they mentioned in the article is a simple reticle or "red dot" scope. These scopes are designed for use UNDER 100 meters, and should not enhance the range of a shot at all.

I am sure you could mount just about any Hi-Power site you want though since it show with both a long and short "P-Rail"....

Mistah_Richard said:

The scope they mentioned in the article is a simple reticle or "red dot" scope. These scopes are designed for use UNDER 100 meters, and should not enhance the range of a shot at all.

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Actually, I was talking about an actual scope to mount on the rail, but in retrospect, I don't think even a real scope would help this gun much at all, at least not enough worth noting. I could be wrong though, since I've nevered fire one.

As Richard pointed out, there are quite a few companies making new SMGs. Bofors has this one, which actually doesn't look that exciting except for the diagonal magazine.

http://www.securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/2000/2018.htm

I think the text is directly from Jane's. "it is claimed to be effective against lightly armoured vehicles such as armoured personnel carriers."

kreynolds said:

Actually, I was talking about an actual scope to mount on the rail, but in retrospect, I don't think even a real scope would help this gun much at all, at least not enough worth noting. I could be wrong though, since I've nevered fire one.

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Admittedly, I have not fired this gun but I have fired the USC and the semi-auto MP5 both of which had scope packages. Like most subguns though there is value to using a red dot scope or "reflective" scope. These scopes are used for up to 100 yards. They, for the most part have no magnification, have a large viewing optics end and have a variety (in the case of some scopes you can actually select different reticle paterns by the click of a dial) of site patterns. Like any optics for a gun, there are a low quality to high quality red dots available from LOTS of manufacturers.

These scopes are designed for close range firing rather than long range...which would require a hi-power scope. I can attest to the value of properly sited red dot and the accuracy you get from it when using a sub-gun. They work.

For fun, I attached a pic of me with my new Bennelli Nova 12 guage pump (with ghost ring sites) and semi-automatic AK-47 (ROMARM).

Cheers!

Mistah_Richard said:

For fun, I attached a pic of me with my new Bennelli Nova 12 guage pump (with ghost ring sites) and semi-automatic AK-47 (ROMARM).

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That's an AK-47? It looks more like an SKS. From the ones I've seen, the SKS tends to have the redish-brown stock and grip, while the AK-47 has a brown to dark tan stock and grip. Are there multiple varieties? I ask because its a good lookin' weapon you've got there.

Yeah it is an AK-47, there are dozens of different versions of the AK. This one is built in Romania (ROMARM). The material and color of the stock, foregrip, and pistol group vary even more than the manufacturer.

For example, I just recently purchase new wood furnishing for mine, replacing the short wooden "assault" stock, standard, to most european manufactured wood furnished AKs, with a longer stock. The wood is mehogony. No more composite grip. No heavy laquer, nice wood. The look of the gun changes a bit and looks more refined even though the stamped metal still says "cheap".

The gun also has a side mount rail (since you cannot affix a standard rail to the stamped metal receiver housing). I purchased at Knob Creek this past year a Weaver Rail kit that mounts to the Russian bracket and allows just about any site system to be installed. The rail mounts tightly to the side rails and bends over the top of the receiver housing for typical scope placement. I just mail ordered a TASCO red dot (cheap but reliable) to finish it off.

To get back onto topic though, it is an AK, not an SKS. THe SKS does not have a pistol grip, no large capacity mag (unless heavily modified), a different receiver, and a single piece wood furnishing that runs from the butt of the rifle to the foregrip. THere are some similarities such as the gas recoil tube that runs along the top of the barrel as well as the the top foregrip.

This is of course completely confused by custom kits that allow you to mount say a Dragunov stock to the rest fo the gun, or different models produced by (older) East Germany or (new) China's Norinco.

Hope that helps!

Cheers!

For this forum we should have "generaly approved weapons list". I've seen some some really cool weapons posted here with perposed stats. i think that we should have a thread with weapons and pics that we can constantly add to. Just mu opinion maybe it's a bad idea.