Level Up (A5E) Studded Leather Armor

Galahadred

Villager
Is O5E Studded Leather armor supposed to be Padded Leather in A5E, or Leather Brigandine? Or did the Level Up developers intend to leave it up to Narrators to decide? Looks like the only other O5E armor type that doesn't have an A5E equivalent is Ring Mail, but it was not worth including in O5E in the first place.
 

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Micah Sweet

Level Up & OSR Enthusiast
Is O5E Studded Leather armor supposed to be Padded Leather in A5E, or Leather Brigandine? Or did the Level Up developers intend to leave it up to Narrators to decide? Looks like the only other O5E armor type that doesn't have an A5E equivalent is Ring Mail, but it was not worth including in O5E in the first place.
I think they were responding to the historical myth that leather and studded leather armor as depicted in D&D actually existed, when in fact the archaeological evidence shows otherwise. I would go with leather brigantine or, as you say, padded leather if you want a similar effect.
 

WaltyCole

Explorer
I think they were responding to the historical myth that leather and studded leather armor as depicted in D&D actually existed, when in fact the archaeological evidence shows otherwise. I would go with leather brigantine or, as you say, padded leather if you want a similar effect.
I deleted my reply because it was long winded and not specifically relevant
 
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To be clear, leather armor existed, it just isn't attested by sources or archaeological finds to have been very prominent. But there have been a few finds, and leather can be fashioned into something that gives some light protection. Actual prominence in use is debatable, but there is nothing implausible about leather for a fantasy armor.

Studded leather, however, does not seem to have ever been a thing, and, as imagined, does not seem to be capable of providing any additional meaningful protection over leather without some studs in it. Studs are usually portrayed as too widely spaced to do anything meaningful, and were they tightly spaced they would provide less protection for more work and resources than attaching larger pieces of metal. Some people believe that, as portrayed, studded leather seems to be based on misinterpreting leather brigantines with the leather on the outside and plates riveted to it on the inside as just leather with studs on it, which would seem to suggest leather brigantine as the logical substitution.

But leather brigantine is AC 13 + Dex medium armor in this system, whereas padded leather is AC 12 + Dex light armor, which would seem to occupy the space of studded leather, with leather's old place given over to padded cloth, which, unlike in 5e, actually gets to have a distinct identity (comparable to that it had in the middle ages) as the basic, workhorse every day light armor, rather than just being offbrand leather armor.
 

WaltyCole

Explorer
To be clear, leather armor existed, it just isn't attested by sources or archaeological finds to have been very prominent. But there have been a few finds, and leather can be fashioned into something that gives some light protection. Actual prominence in use is debatable, but there is nothing implausible about leather for a fantasy armor.

Studded leather, however, does not seem to have ever been a thing, and, as imagined, does not seem to be capable of providing any additional meaningful protection over leather without some studs in it. Studs are usually portrayed as too widely spaced to do anything meaningful, and were they tightly spaced they would provide less protection for more work and resources than attaching larger pieces of metal. Some people believe that, as portrayed, studded leather seems to be based on misinterpreting leather brigantines with the leather on the outside and plates riveted to it on the inside as just leather with studs on it, which would seem to suggest leather brigantine as the logical substitution.

But leather brigantine is AC 13 + Dex medium armor in this system, whereas padded leather is AC 12 + Dex light armor, which would seem to occupy the space of studded leather, with leather's old place given over to padded cloth, which, unlike in 5e, actually gets to have a distinct identity (comparable to that it had in the middle ages) as the basic, workhorse every day light armor, rather than just being offbrand leather armor.
You basically said what I meant to but while staying on topic. Well done.
 

Haiku Elvis

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Already beat me to the no such thing as studded leather replies.
I belive the theory is that some game designers back in the day had seen pictures of brigantine and hadn't realised the "studs" were the rivets holding the armour plates in place under the cloth. Thusly was studded leather invented.
 

Staffan

Legend
Already beat me to the no such thing as studded leather replies.
I belive the theory is that some game designers back in the day had seen pictures of brigantine and hadn't realised the "studs" were the rivets holding the armour plates in place under the cloth. Thusly was studded leather invented.
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Galahadred

Villager
Fellas, I don't care if studded leather really existed or not. All I wanted to know is what the Level Up designers intended for us to do with the studded leather that is in O5E, as we transition to A5E.
 

Fellas, I don't care if studded leather really existed or not. All I wanted to know is what the Level Up designers intended for us to do with the studded leather that is in O5E, as we transition to A5E.
Sure. 5e Studded Leather is AC 12+ Dex light armor. Level Up padded leather is AC 12+ Dex light armor. Do you have a specific concern about using it?
 
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Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
Fellas, I don't care if studded leather really existed or not. All I wanted to know is what the Level Up designers intended for us to do with the studded leather that is in O5E, as we transition to A5E.
Just use it if you want to.
 

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