MonsterEnvy
Legend
He’s still 9 CR above, which makes him more dangerous then expected.
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That number doesn't mean what you think it does. It is at best a rough estimate and can't possibly take into consideration the capabilities of any given PC party since there are millions of potential combinations of characters. I have seen a 10th level party take down a Great Wyrm red dragon.
Demetrios1453
Hero
How about we don't jump back down endless well of the CR conversation again, and let it stay in the thread that was specifically created when this happened on another DL thread?
MonsterEnvy
Legend
Let me Elaborate
No Death Dragon Mount, the party will get to the final Dungeon which has a time limit of 3 in game hours to complete so no long rest can be done after getting to it. The party will find out about a anti Soth magic item that can disable him, but if they confront Soth at the end of the Dungeon without it, or don't use it, he will probably kick the parties ass. He have various abilities to disable members of the party, and can instantly kill people along with his large damage output, I don't see a way for a non fresh Level 11 party that does not know his abilities to beat him other than using the Item.
GMforPowergamers
Legend
I am disappointed that it isn't Death Dragon, Soth, 4 skeletal warriors (knights?) a small zombie hoard (animated by BW) and a group of draconians...
In a game where everything is turned up to deadly I want the Soth encounter to be "Not D&D deadly, but the DM found out their SO is sleeping with one or more player's Deadly"
pukunui
Legend
As I pointed out elsewhere (either in this thread or one of the others), Soth isn't intended to be the main BBEG. He's meant to be "a lurking threat to be avoided".
Demetrios1453
Hero
You have to fight through a whole citadel of his allies and minions (lots of draconians, undead, and so on) to even to get to him, and since time is of the essence, without having more than a short rest at most.
And, as others have said, there are ways of defeating him without head-to-head combat. And, in the end, Kansaldi is actually the ultimate foe in the module.
Micah Sweet
Level Up & OSR Enthusiast
Ah, but if you can take him without much trouble, why bother avoiding him? I know if I had a shot to put down the Knight of the Black Rose, I'd go for it.
One assumes the PCs don't know and probably don't believe they can take him down easy. He is supposed to be end of Rogue One Vader.
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