Greek Gods vs. Titans

What's the difference?
From what I've read of Greek mythology, Titans seem to exclusively have inborn power (power points), while Gods have less inborn power (power points) and varying degrees of acquired power (worship points).
Would this be accurate in Krustyverse?

Also...would anyone be interested in a series of "Titan" templates?

I'm thinking Lesser (20+ HD), Greater (40+ HD), and Elder (80+ HD). They would probably be designed as LA +10, +20, and +40 respectively.

My reasoning for making custom titans is because there have been sources that state that human based titans are not the only titans. Some races have their own titans and a simple series of templates would easily simulate that for custom pantheons.

FleshEatingBlackFlutterby said:

What's the difference?
From what I've read of Greek mythology, Titans seem to exclusively have inborn power (power points), while Gods have less inborn power (power points) and varying degrees of acquired power (worship points).
Would this be accurate in Krustyverse?

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I don't actually get that from my reads of Greek Mythology. It doesn't seem to me that the gods power is dependent on worship. At least I don't get that from any of the actually myths. Perhaps some Greek philosophers may have suggested as such (some were very anti-divine btw), but I don't think you get that from the actual myths. At least I have never read that, nor was it ever taught to me that way.

Heck, Athena sprung fully formed and powerful form Zeus's head (at least in some myths) and Aphrodite from the blood and semen of Uranus (again at least in some myths). That does say: "we must have worship" to me.

FleshEatingBlackFlutterby said:

What's the difference?

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The Titans are chaotic-leaning Anti-gods (uncaring towards mortals).

The gods are lawful-leaning Deities (who draw power from mortal worship)

Mechanically:

Gods 51%+ power derived from worship
Anti-gods: 51%+ power NOT derived from worship.

As a rule of thumb I'd use a 75/25 split.

So Thor would have 75% of his power derived from worship, while Orcus would only have 25% of his power derived from worship (Cults and so forth).

FleshEatingBlackFlutterby said:

From what I've read of Greek mythology, Titans seem to exclusively have inborn power (power points), while Gods have less inborn power (power points) and varying degrees of acquired power (worship points).
Would this be accurate in Krustyverse?

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See above. I streamlined everything for 5e.

Worship (and thus Worship Points) have some advantages and disadvantages in a sort of Risk-reward mechanic.

FleshEatingBlackFlutterby said:

Also...would anyone be interested in a series of "Titan" templates?

I'm thinking Lesser (20+ HD), Greater (40+ HD), and Elder (80+ HD). They would probably be designed as LA +10, +20, and +40 respectively.

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3E versions? I'd be amazed if they don't already exist somewhere in of the threads on these pages.

FleshEatingBlackFlutterby said:

My reasoning for making custom titans is because there have been sources that state that human based titans are not the only titans. Some races have their own titans and a simple series of templates would easily simulate that for custom pantheons.

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A titan is largely just a descriptor of something of Titanic Proportions (ie. Godzilla sized) and while size brings with it a measure of power it is not in itself a category 'of' power you might say.

dave2008 said:

I don't actually get that from my reads of Greek Mythology. It doesn't seem to me that the gods power is dependent on worship. At least I don't get that from any of the actually myths. Perhaps some Greek philosophers may have suggested as such (some were very anti-divine btw), but I don't think you get that from the actual myths. At least I have never read that, nor was it ever taught to me that way.

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Immortal/Divine power is not 'dependent' upon worship. However, in my rules, the title of god denotes an immortal of whom the majority of their overall power comes from worship and thus they 'care' for mortals.

An immortal of whom the majority of their overall power does not come from worship is referred to as an Anti-god. These are chaos-leaning Primordials, Giant-gods, Demon Princes, Arch-fey, etc.

dave2008 said:

Heck, Athena sprung fully formed and powerful form Zeus's head (at least in some myths) and Aphrodite from the blood and semen of Uranus (again at least in some myths). That does say: "we must have worship" to me.

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In both the above occasions the immortals in question were born of "God Zounds*" by an attack/malady that seems to have siphoned some of their divine power. Wounds of quintessence created by Uranus' sickle and Hephaestus using a magic 'wedge' (presumably on a critical hit) can create completely new immortals. Zeus could have regained his power by slaying Athena (indeed you could argue he did kill indirectly have his son Zagreus killed - albeit that is one of the more confusing Greek myths). But chose not to.

*God Wounds

Upper_Krust said:

Immortal/Divine power is not 'dependent' upon worship. However, in my rules, the title of god denotes an immortal of whom the majority of their overall power comes from worship and thus they 'care' for mortals.

An immortal of whom the majority of their overall power does not come from worship is referred to as an Anti-god. These are chaos-leaning Primordials, Giant-gods, Demon Princes, Arch-fey, etc.

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I have a similar, but slightly different approach. In my game gods are those immortals that can gather power from worship and have "Authority." They don't need worship and it is not the major source of their power. However, it does allow to do more than others without worship and helps them control the Multiverse. So they have a reason to care about mortals collectively, but it is not a huge deal if a specific god doesn't give a hoot about mortals (as we see time and time again in mythologies).

Other Immortals have other traits, such as:

Primordials have "Authority" but can't gain power through worship, Fiends can gain power through "contracts," etc.

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In both the above occasions the immortals in question were born of "God Zounds*" by an attack/malady that seems to have siphoned some of their divine power. Wounds of quintessence created by Uranus' sickle and Hephaestus using a magic 'wedge' (presumably on a critical hit) can create completely new immortals. Zeus could have regained his power by slaying Athena (indeed you could argue he did kill indirectly have his son Zagreus killed - albeit that is one of the more confusing Greek myths). But chose not to.

*God Wounds

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That is interesting. I had similar ideas, but no idea how to implement them really. I will be interested to see how you do it!