Goodman Games: Our Efforts Have Been Mischaracterized

Goodman Games' CEO Joseph Goodman made a statement via YouTube over the weekend*. The video itself focused on the content of the controversial upcoming City State of the Invincible Overlord crowdfunding product, but was prefaced by a short introduction by Joseph Goodman, in which he reiterates his company's commitment to inclusivity and diversity and its opposition to bigotry, something which they say they "don't want to be associated with".

Goodman goes on to say that the company's efforts have been "mischaracterized by some folks" but does not go so far as to identify the mischaracterization, so it's not entirely clear what they consider to be untrue other than the "inaccurate" statements made by Bob Bledsaw II of Judges Guild about Goodman Games' plans, which Goodman mentioned last week.

For those who haven't been following this story, it has been covered in the articles Goodman Games Revives Relationship With Anti-Semitic Publisher For New City State Kickstarter, Goodman Games Offers Assurances About Judges Guild Royalties, and Judges Guild Makes Statement About Goodman Controversy. In short, Goodman Games is currently licensing an old property from a company with which it claimed to have cut ties in 2020 after the owner of that company made a number of bigoted comments on social media. Goodman Games has repeatedly said that this move would allow them to provide backers of an old unfulfilled Judges Guild Kickstarter with refunds, but there are many people questioning seeming contradictions in both the timelines involved and in the appropriateness of the whole endeavour.

Despite the backlash, the prospects of the crowdfunding project do not seem to have been harmed. The pre-launch page has over 3,000 followers, and many of the comments under the YouTube videos or on other social media are not only very supportive of the project, but also condemn those who question its appropriateness. In comparison, the original (failed) Judges Guild Kickstarter had only 965 backers.

The video is embedded below, followed by a transcript of the relevant section.



Hi everybody, I'm Joseph Goodman of Goodman Games. We recently announced our City State of the Invincible Overlord crowdfunding project for 5E and DCC RPG.

In the video you're about to see, some of our product development team is going to tell you about what makes the City State so amazing and why we're bringing it back to 5E and DCC audiences nearly 50 years after it was first released. It really is an amazing setting.

But we could have rolled this project out with a lot more clarity. Now, to be clear, Goodman Games absolutely opposes any sort of bigotry, racism, anti-semitism, homophobia, transphobia. We don't want to support it. We don't want to be associated with it.

Our well-intentioned effort to launch this project in a way that refunds backers of a former failed Kickstarter from another publisher kind of backfired in the way we announced it. Rest assured, the funds from this crowdfunding will actually fund refunds to backers of the original City State crowdfunding for the Pathfinder edition from 2014.

Unfortunately, our efforts have been—you know, I didn’t clarify them perfectly when we rolled it out—and they've been mischaracterized by some folks since then. But please rest assured, we stand for inclusivity and diversity.

You can read a lot more detail in the post that's linked below, and there's another video linked below where we talk about this in even more detail. But for now, we hope you will sit back and enjoy as some of the product development team tells you about really what makes the City State of the Invincible Overlord so amazing, and why you might want to check it out when it comes to crowdfunding soon.

Thanks, and I'll turn it over to them now.

The statement refers to a post about this that is supposed to be linked below, but at the time of writing no post is linked below the video, so it's not clear if that refers to a new post or one of Goodman Games' previous statements on the issue.

I reached out to Joseph Goodman last week to offer a non-confrontational (although direct and candid) interview in which he could answer some ongoing questions and talk on his reasoning behind the decision; I have not yet received a response to the offer--I did, however, indicate that I was just leaving for UK Games Expo, and wouldn't be back until this week.

*Normally I would have covered this in a more timely fashion, but I was away at UK Games Expo from Thursday through to Monday.
 

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Be honest. Most of us use products everyday that have some taint. For those that carry Personalized Tracking Devices(aka smartphones) or use computers, many of the source materials come from less then honorable mines and factories. Plus the data mining/collection/sales that comes with using such devices. Much of the world's energy comes from countries that are far from perfect. We mostly ignore because we really don't want to know.
Absolutely, and the actions of GG are on a completely different point on the badness scale, but most people pretty much need computers, smartphones, energy and the like. Still, a lot of people are willing to spend more to get these things from a more ethical source.
GG offers a RPG product, nothing I really do need. There are plenty of alternatives out there, and even the product in question is not new.
 

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FWIW, classic examples of good people working with/for bad people can be found all over the legal system. Even criminals have a right to effective counsel.

Just as a fr’ex, the ACLU has had its attorneys defending Klansmen, Neonazis, and the like when certain legal issues arise, like free speech or free association.

(Personally, I had no qualms about defending the guilty- I avoided becoming a defense attorney in part because I didn’t want to screw up a case where my client was innocent.)

Here, I can understand GG’s position. I don’t agree with it, though. I can’t see a path in which GG wouldn’t catch at least some flak for doing business with the current iteration of JG. Some things are not worth getting dirty for, and this is one of them.

(OTOH, take my position with a grain of salt, because I have all of the original City State/Wilderlands, etc. from JG.)
I'm always wary when people bring this up because there's a categorical difference between this and the legal system.

People have a right to counsel before the government kills them or locks them up or takes their stuff. No one's got a right to make people buy their products or listen to them when they spout holocaust denial and similar disgusting bigotry. To the contrary, our right of free association means we are entitled to walk away and they are NOT being oppressed when we do so.

I have some sympathy for Goodman, but he broke his word and got back into bed with a terrible person. Those were his choices.
 
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It works out for GG, in the end I think.

Most gamers who would back this probably aren't even aware of all this anyway, and a fair amount who are aware may still back it anyway now that this one crowdfunded print run will be the only way to get it. I know I would want a premium DCC conversion of this, if all things were equal.

What remains to be seen, though, is whether this will affect them long term. I'm of the opinion that they probably should have abandoned work on this a couple of years ago or whenever it was when Bledsaw made those original statements. They decided to keep working, investing yet more time and money and, I guess, just hoping that given a couple of years people will forgive and forget.

Doesn't help that Bledsaw made another absolutely unhinged statement since.

I don't really know how to end this post other than to go full sitcom dad and say that I'm not angry, just disappointed.
 
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Yeah, never underestimate the coping skills, justification skills, laziness, stupidity, and lack of empathy of humans.
I don’t think this is a fair take. There’s a strong possibility that a lot of the people waiting to back this project haven’t heard a peep about the controversy. You’ve never been too busy with the rest of your life to fall behind on the latest TTRPG news?

If you’ve ever backed a Goodman KS before, you received an email from Goodman Games about this one coming up. I did. And there’s no reason to assume that everyone whos a fan of DCC follows all the news about it other than what lands in their lap. Even hearing about a possible controversy isn’t a guarantee that someone will bother to look it up, given how trivial some internet controversies turn out to be.

Ultimately I recommend slowing your roll when it comes to passing judgement on everyone as lazy, stupid, and uncaring.
 


Absolutely, and the actions of GG are on a completely different point on the badness scale, but most people pretty much need computers, smartphones, energy and the like. Still, a lot of people are willing to spend more to get these things from a more ethical source.
GG offers a RPG product, nothing I really do need. There are plenty of alternatives out there, and even the product in question is not new.
I'll add that the number of authors on a RPG project are pretty small so it is easier to be discerning in that regard. Compare a blockbuster movie, which is similarly entertainment but has tons of people working on it. Some of them may have odious views and benefit when you buy the ticket. But because there are hundreds of them, support for the project is more clearly distinct from support for that individual.
 

It looks like it just launched. If you were inclined to back it, just be aware that the $200 box set does NOT include the PDF. With value like that they might need that extra shot of FOMO they ended up having here, good lord.

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If I'm reading this right, there isn't even a bundle for print and PDF in combination. So if you wanted one box set (DCC or 5E) and a PDF it would be $360.

Is this a reprint of Invisible Sun or something?
I think so, although it looks like $330 to me. A quick estimate, based on the amount available the project would max out at around $1.15 million.

Edit: Although, I see in the FAQ that "The max funding target for this project is $851,300, and we will try to adjust pledge availability to land as close as possible to this target."

So I guess the # available for each product will be reduced.
 

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