Goodman Games: Our Efforts Have Been Mischaracterized

Goodman Games' CEO Joseph Goodman made a statement via YouTube over the weekend*. The video itself focused on the content of the controversial upcoming City State of the Invincible Overlord crowdfunding product, but was prefaced by a short introduction by Joseph Goodman, in which he reiterates his company's commitment to inclusivity and diversity and its opposition to bigotry, something which they say they "don't want to be associated with".

Goodman goes on to say that the company's efforts have been "mischaracterized by some folks" but does not go so far as to identify the mischaracterization, so it's not entirely clear what they consider to be untrue other than the "inaccurate" statements made by Bob Bledsaw II of Judges Guild about Goodman Games' plans, which Goodman mentioned last week.

For those who haven't been following this story, it has been covered in the articles Goodman Games Revives Relationship With Anti-Semitic Publisher For New City State Kickstarter, Goodman Games Offers Assurances About Judges Guild Royalties, and Judges Guild Makes Statement About Goodman Controversy. In short, Goodman Games is currently licensing an old property from a company with which it claimed to have cut ties in 2020 after the owner of that company made a number of bigoted comments on social media. Goodman Games has repeatedly said that this move would allow them to provide backers of an old unfulfilled Judges Guild Kickstarter with refunds, but there are many people questioning seeming contradictions in both the timelines involved and in the appropriateness of the whole endeavour.

Despite the backlash, the prospects of the crowdfunding project do not seem to have been harmed. The pre-launch page has over 3,000 followers, and many of the comments under the YouTube videos or on other social media are not only very supportive of the project, but also condemn those who question its appropriateness. In comparison, the original (failed) Judges Guild Kickstarter had only 965 backers.

The video is embedded below, followed by a transcript of the relevant section.



Hi everybody, I'm Joseph Goodman of Goodman Games. We recently announced our City State of the Invincible Overlord crowdfunding project for 5E and DCC RPG.

In the video you're about to see, some of our product development team is going to tell you about what makes the City State so amazing and why we're bringing it back to 5E and DCC audiences nearly 50 years after it was first released. It really is an amazing setting.

But we could have rolled this project out with a lot more clarity. Now, to be clear, Goodman Games absolutely opposes any sort of bigotry, racism, anti-semitism, homophobia, transphobia. We don't want to support it. We don't want to be associated with it.

Our well-intentioned effort to launch this project in a way that refunds backers of a former failed Kickstarter from another publisher kind of backfired in the way we announced it. Rest assured, the funds from this crowdfunding will actually fund refunds to backers of the original City State crowdfunding for the Pathfinder edition from 2014.

Unfortunately, our efforts have been—you know, I didn’t clarify them perfectly when we rolled it out—and they've been mischaracterized by some folks since then. But please rest assured, we stand for inclusivity and diversity.

You can read a lot more detail in the post that's linked below, and there's another video linked below where we talk about this in even more detail. But for now, we hope you will sit back and enjoy as some of the product development team tells you about really what makes the City State of the Invincible Overlord so amazing, and why you might want to check it out when it comes to crowdfunding soon.

Thanks, and I'll turn it over to them now.

The statement refers to a post about this that is supposed to be linked below, but at the time of writing no post is linked below the video, so it's not clear if that refers to a new post or one of Goodman Games' previous statements on the issue.

I reached out to Joseph Goodman last week to offer a non-confrontational (although direct and candid) interview in which he could answer some ongoing questions and talk on his reasoning behind the decision; I have not yet received a response to the offer--I did, however, indicate that I was just leaving for UK Games Expo, and wouldn't be back until this week.

*Normally I would have covered this in a more timely fashion, but I was away at UK Games Expo from Thursday through to Monday.
 

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Which goes back to my whole 'sunk cost' thought. Did they just commit so much to this that they financially need to recoup and so feel they must release it?

Near $200 CAD for a PDF? Never. Ever.
the price for PDFs is pretty arbitrary, I am used to them being around 50% of the print price, but then there are 50% off sales and sometimes bundles that are 80-90% off.

So I see this as following the print price again, except that they went with 65% which is pretty high. You do get 800 pages, so it definitely never was going to be $30 or $40, but $130 is still high

As to how much they invested already, no idea, nor why they did so after cutting ties with JG
 

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Now I’m curious - Goodman had said previously that the money was going to be held in escrow to repay the previous KS backers, but at a certain point, profits would have to be paid to Judges Guild if the game was successful enough. Can we determine what point that is on the amount the kickstarter has raised so far? Have we already reached the point that “Yeah, some percentage of this is going to Bledsaw?”

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Can we determine what point that is on the amount the kickstarter has raised so far? Have we already reached the point that “Yeah, some percentage of this is going the Bledsaw?”
the original KS made 85k, JG gets around 10% of this KS. The number of products available is limited at the cut-off point so JG should never get money due to too many sales.

The one variable is whether all the backers of the JG version now, over 10 years later, hear about the option to / request a refund or not.
 




do you know how many colleagues in my age group and generally nerdy cohort both (a) grew up absolutely loving and identifying strongly with particularly popular series of wizard novels AND (b) had no idea the author of said novels was using her considerable fortune from those novels and associated ephemera to massively fund legal threats to transgender rights, recognition, and dignity? It's a lot! And that includes many of my trans friends! There's just so much out there that you've got to unplug from something, anything, lots of things, just to avoid having your brain go full Scanners.

At a certain point, ignorance isn't just understandable; it's a defense mechanism.

My queer teen daughter had/has(?) an intense love of the world of that school of wizardry. She is still really struggling to reconcile That Woman’s acts with the stories my daughter so dearly loves.

There’s no easy answer for her. But it is very easy for me to walk away from Goodman Games.
 

I assume these are multiple PDFs, just like there are multiple books. So think of it as 4 PDFs of $30 each plus some smaller ones
I agree, based on their project description, this seems quite likely.
Notwithstanding the delivery format, I have to say that even if Judges Guild was run by nicer people than it actually is, $130 for a single product would have caused me to rethink pledging in this campaign.
 

It seems to me that a zero-tolerance attitude is common on the internet, but in realspace many people don't actually have the option to forgo business contact with any and all people who display their racism.

It is like noting that ethical consumption is not a practical possibility right now - supply chains are too complex, so anything and everything you buy has touched something unethical, somewhere. But you gotta eat, and clothe yourself. And have a roof over your head, and internet. And...

So, perfection is denied us, and we each have to make our choices, and pick our battles.
This is a want, not a need. You can certainly limit your wants to things that are ethically produced or owned.
 

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