Goodman Games: Our Efforts Have Been Mischaracterized

Goodman Games' CEO Joseph Goodman made a statement via YouTube over the weekend*. The video itself focused on the content of the controversial upcoming City State of the Invincible Overlord crowdfunding product, but was prefaced by a short introduction by Joseph Goodman, in which he reiterates his company's commitment to inclusivity and diversity and its opposition to bigotry, something which they say they "don't want to be associated with".

Goodman goes on to say that the company's efforts have been "mischaracterized by some folks" but does not go so far as to identify the mischaracterization, so it's not entirely clear what they consider to be untrue other than the "inaccurate" statements made by Bob Bledsaw II of Judges Guild about Goodman Games' plans, which Goodman mentioned last week.

For those who haven't been following this story, it has been covered in the articles Goodman Games Revives Relationship With Anti-Semitic Publisher For New City State Kickstarter, Goodman Games Offers Assurances About Judges Guild Royalties, and Judges Guild Makes Statement About Goodman Controversy. In short, Goodman Games is currently licensing an old property from a company with which it claimed to have cut ties in 2020 after the owner of that company made a number of bigoted comments on social media. Goodman Games has repeatedly said that this move would allow them to provide backers of an old unfulfilled Judges Guild Kickstarter with refunds, but there are many people questioning seeming contradictions in both the timelines involved and in the appropriateness of the whole endeavour.

Despite the backlash, the prospects of the crowdfunding project do not seem to have been harmed. The pre-launch page has over 3,000 followers, and many of the comments under the YouTube videos or on other social media are not only very supportive of the project, but also condemn those who question its appropriateness. In comparison, the original (failed) Judges Guild Kickstarter had only 965 backers.

The video is embedded below, followed by a transcript of the relevant section.



Hi everybody, I'm Joseph Goodman of Goodman Games. We recently announced our City State of the Invincible Overlord crowdfunding project for 5E and DCC RPG.

In the video you're about to see, some of our product development team is going to tell you about what makes the City State so amazing and why we're bringing it back to 5E and DCC audiences nearly 50 years after it was first released. It really is an amazing setting.

But we could have rolled this project out with a lot more clarity. Now, to be clear, Goodman Games absolutely opposes any sort of bigotry, racism, anti-semitism, homophobia, transphobia. We don't want to support it. We don't want to be associated with it.

Our well-intentioned effort to launch this project in a way that refunds backers of a former failed Kickstarter from another publisher kind of backfired in the way we announced it. Rest assured, the funds from this crowdfunding will actually fund refunds to backers of the original City State crowdfunding for the Pathfinder edition from 2014.

Unfortunately, our efforts have been—you know, I didn’t clarify them perfectly when we rolled it out—and they've been mischaracterized by some folks since then. But please rest assured, we stand for inclusivity and diversity.

You can read a lot more detail in the post that's linked below, and there's another video linked below where we talk about this in even more detail. But for now, we hope you will sit back and enjoy as some of the product development team tells you about really what makes the City State of the Invincible Overlord so amazing, and why you might want to check it out when it comes to crowdfunding soon.

Thanks, and I'll turn it over to them now.

The statement refers to a post about this that is supposed to be linked below, but at the time of writing no post is linked below the video, so it's not clear if that refers to a new post or one of Goodman Games' previous statements on the issue.

I reached out to Joseph Goodman last week to offer a non-confrontational (although direct and candid) interview in which he could answer some ongoing questions and talk on his reasoning behind the decision; I have not yet received a response to the offer--I did, however, indicate that I was just leaving for UK Games Expo, and wouldn't be back until this week.

*Normally I would have covered this in a more timely fashion, but I was away at UK Games Expo from Thursday through to Monday.
 

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Well, just for sake of checking out possibilities, let us consider, for the moment, the possibility that, in fact, he really wants to be inclusive, and has good intentions.

How might working with an objectionable person fit in?

In his, and many people's minds, the original is an iconic work in gaming, right? And maybe it isn't itself laden with problematic content. The original work, itself, is mostly okay, it just comes from a bad source.

Then, Goodman may feel he might act like a filter, or a spacer - distancing the work from the origin, making it available to folks who couldn't bear to buy from JG these days. Thus the effort to not pay JG and Bledsaw royalties - that problematic source doesn't get money. Old backers get their money back. Trying to make the best out of a bad source.

There's a miscalculation there, in that a vocal section of the market is zero-tolerance, and would prefer to not ever see the material at all over even saying "Hello" to JG. Goodman may be trying his darnedest to make it palatable, and just didn't get that there is no way to make it palatable.

We could read this as Goodman not being a bad actor, but being seriously out of touch.
I feel like, even trying to take it at its absolute best intentions, it’s still a horribly bad idea. And that’s at best.

At worst it’s lying to your customer base.
 

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Did you spend too much time on tumbler as a teen?

Mod Note:
And what you ought to do is go review the site rules. The insulting personal jabs will get you in trouble around here.


then you should be familiar with this concept, or did you buy a Cybertruck instead?

You have been around here long enough to know not to make it personal. Are you actively looking to get removed from the thread? Because we can do that for you with less fuss than this....
 

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I was always a bit wary of the handful of people on Reddit and ENWorld overemphasizing the financial impact of the JG Disaster but damn I didn't expect this. Seems like a sizable portion of GG Customers don't care much.

The way I see it, I can’t do anything about what other people do with their money. All I can do is voice my opinion about how I wish to spend mine. Joseph Goodman could’ve said absolutely nothing and simply let the backers do their thing, but he felt the need to address the problem. Thing is, this last response sounded purely defensive, so he’s just digging a bigger hole in my eyes. He wouldn’t be saying this if it didn’t concern him at some level though.
 

Looking forward, what would there be left for GG to do with the OAR line without TSR or JG properties?
Without TSR or Judges Guild, there are very few things left, and most of them have current publishers.
  • Flying Buffalo's CityBooks were a pretty big deal in the era that OAR covers, but a new publisher bought the Flying Buffalo stuff a few years ago and was allegedly going to be reprinting the CityBooks (no sign of that happening, though)
  • Empire of the Petal Throne, which is even more problematic than stuff associated with the Bledsaws, if you can imagine it
  • Palace of the Vampire Queen, which was the first commercially available adventure, although its rights appear to be in dispute and at least one rights-holder expresses similar views to Bledsaw II, I believe
If Goodman somehow got all the rights to the Judges Guild properties free and clear, there are a few obvious properties that could merit an OAR, especially Wilderlands of High Fantasy. But without it, I think we're at the end of the OAR line, barring WotC suddenly letting them do more TSR stuff (the various versions of Palace of the Silver Princess seem like a gimme for OAR).
 
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Why do the right thing when you can...

$323,610 🎉
of $10,000

For some money talks and ethics, values, and morals walk (or get projected as mischaracterization).

The number of people that are unaware of or don't care about the controversy probably outweighs those that care positively or negatively. And that is unfortunate, but probably not unexpected.

Without TSR or Judges Guild, there are very few things left, and most of them have current publishers.

Arduin Grimoire springs to mind.
 

The more “concerns” voiced by GG, the more they seem to be about saving face and hard lucre over Real, Genuine, Authentic Understanding; hell, at this point; , it’s almost like willful, obstinate blindness instead of well-intentioned (albeit derpy) cluelessness.
I think if Joseph Goodman was all about making the big bucks, he wouldn't be an RPG publisher.
 



The more “concerns” voiced by GG, the more they seem to be about saving face and hard lucre over Real, Genuine, Authentic Understanding; hell, at this point; , it’s almost like willful, obstinate blindness instead of well-intentioned (albeit derpy) cluelessness.
It definitely read to me as a CYA crisis management response.

This is where I really like Mike Shea’s perspective on judging what TTRPG companies promise vs what they do - his “lit candles” analogy. Goodman broke a promise not to work with JG that they made several years ago. They’ve made a lot of statements since then regarding this product, and though I’m not buying it, I’m going to be watching to see if this becomes a recurring thing with them. Like Whizbang said above, there’s other OARs they “could” do that would be just as, if not more problematic. If they want to continue down that rabbit hole, I won’t be putting much stock in future statements by Joseph Goodman.

So yeah, my faith is dwindling.
 

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