D&D (2024) Best 5.5 Mechanic They Should Use More IMHO


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Zardnaar said:
Touche. My players are just starting to experiment with summons.
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I just wish they coded summons as 1st, 3rd and 5th level spells,
with number of attack half spell level/round up.
maybe that will be next house rule to work on, of with reduced HP for each summon that is reduced in base spell level.

1st level: 1 base attack
Summon Beast spirit: Druid, Ranger
Summon Warrior spirit(from UA): cleric, paladin, artificer

3rd level: 2 base attacks
Summon Undead: cleric, wizard,
Summon Astral spirit(from UA): psion, sorcerer, warlock, wizard
Summon Construct: Wizard, Artificer
Summon Aberration: warlock, wizard, sorcerer
Summon Fey: druid, ranger,
Summon elemental: druid, ranger, wizard, sorcerer

5th level: 3 base attacks
Summon Dragon: druid, ranger, warlock, wizard, sorcerer
Summon Celestial: paladin, cleric
Summon Fiend: paladin, cleric

upcasting:
7th level, 4 attacks,
9th level, 5 attacks,
 

Zardnaar said:
Greater Magic resistance on the rakshasa.

Basically they automatically make their saves. Spells with attack rolls automatically miss.

Magic resistance and legendary resistance often isn't enough. Oys a bit to easy to essentially stun lock bosses with low level spells.
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What does more mean? What creatures do you want to give this to? All creatures that currently get Legendary Resistance? A few select creatures?

If you don't want the "save or suck" spells to impact high level foes, there is a house rule I've encountered in a few circles for 'save or suck' spells that makes them less reliable against powerful foes, but even more reliable against weaker foes: "Compare the Spellcasting Level (SL) of the caster to the Challenge Rating (CR) of the target(s). If the SL is higher than the CR, the target has a penalty to the saving throw equal to the difference. If the CR is higher than the SL, the difference is a bonus to their saving throw. If CR and SL is equal, the saving throw is not modified." I've also seen a "lesser" version of it that compared proficiency bonuses.

I'm critical of using it as it can force certain spellcasting PCs to abandon their character concept for the most meaningful spells - essentially telling an Enchantment Wizard that they can't be an Enchantment Wizard in important fights.
 

jgsugden said:
If the SL is higher than the CR, the target has a penalty to the saving throw equal to the difference. If the CR is higher than the SL, the difference is a bonus to their saving throw. If CR and SL is equal, the saving throw is not modified." I've also seen a "lesser" version of it that compared proficiency bonuses.
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Looks like another version of Magic Resistance @dave2008 (@ing you in case it inspires anything new)

Though it won't let them walk through walls of force etc. since it's just a bump to saving throws. Interesting house-rule though!
 

jgsugden said:
What does more mean? What creatures do you want to give this to? All creatures that currently get Legendary Resistance? A few select creatures?

If you don't want the "save or suck" spells to impact high level foes, there is a house rule I've encountered in a few circles for 'save or suck' spells that makes them less reliable against powerful foes, but even more reliable against weaker foes: "Compare the Spellcasting Level (SL) of the caster to the Challenge Rating (CR) of the target(s). If the SL is higher than the CR, the target has a penalty to the saving throw equal to the difference. If the CR is higher than the SL, the difference is a bonus to their saving throw. If CR and SL is equal, the saving throw is not modified." I've also seen a "lesser" version of it that compared proficiency bonuses.

I'm critical of using it as it can force certain spellcasting PCs to abandon their character concept for the most meaningful spells - essentially telling an Enchantment Wizard that they can't be an Enchantment Wizard in important fights.
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Wouldn't you say that the higher level spellcaster's DC going up already kinda takes that into account?

Seems like double dipping if I am understanding you.
 

jgsugden said:
What does more mean? What creatures do you want to give this to? All creatures that currently get Legendary Resistance? A few select creatures?

If you don't want the "save or suck" spells to impact high level foes, there is a house rule I've encountered in a few circles for 'save or suck' spells that makes them less reliable against powerful foes, but even more reliable against weaker foes: "Compare the Spellcasting Level (SL) of the caster to the Challenge Rating (CR) of the target(s). If the SL is higher than the CR, the target has a penalty to the saving throw equal to the difference. If the CR is higher than the SL, the difference is a bonus to their saving throw. If CR and SL is equal, the saving throw is not modified." I've also seen a "lesser" version of it that compared proficiency bonuses.

I'm critical of using it as it can force certain spellcasting PCs to abandon their character concept for the most meaningful spells - essentially telling an Enchantment Wizard that they can't be an Enchantment Wizard in important fights.
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Ideally they would have used a different SR/MR system.

Creatures like illithids, largest dragons, spell immune creatures, some archfiends, some Avatars.
 



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