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Zeromaru X said:
No Tymanther mentioned. Sad, seems they wiped out the dragonborn of the Realms.
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They got plenty of attention in SCAG and there's art of Dragonborn all over this book. The Brimstone Angels series ended with a returned Enlil considering Dragonborn "his" chosen people, I wouldn't be surprised if Tymanther and Unther merged and the Dragonborn just make up a significant minority in Unther now.

The Old Empires are said to be ruled by living gods, and Enlil is the head of the Untheric pantheon, above Gilgeam, and he also has ties to Bahamut in some lore. I can't imagine the dragonborn being "wiped out" when their godly patron has control of an entire nation.
 

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Misanthrope Prime said:
They got plenty of attention in SCAG and there's art of Dragonborn all over this book. The Brimstone Angels series ended with a returned Enlil considering Dragonborn "his" chosen people, I wouldn't be surprised if Tymanther and Unther merged and the Dragonborn just make up a significant minority in Unther now.

The Old Empires are said to be ruled by living gods, and Enlil is the head of the Untheric pantheon, above Gilgeam, and he also has ties to Bahamut in some lore. I can't imagine the dragonborn being "wiped out" when their godly patron has control of an entire nation.
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If you go by these novels, Enlil was really weak as he had less than 100 worshipers, lol (dragonborn are atheistic by nature, so Enlil had to work hard to even get those 100). He was barely on the level of a demigod. He is in no shape to defeat Gilgeam as of the end of the novels. And Gilgeam is a racist that would exterminate all dragonborn rather than assimilate them (he killed a lot in the novels. For him, they weren't even worthy as slaves). So, following that lore, there is no way the dragonborn are a "minority" in Unther. If Tymanther is not mentioned, the dragonborn were probably wiped out (that would make the old guard happy, and as 5e is all about pleasing them...)

But, I'll wait, there is still a month or so for the books to be released. I'm just pessimistic.
 

Zeromaru X said:
If you go by these novels, Enlil was really weak as he had less than 100 worshipers, lol (dragonborn are atheistic by nature, so Enlil had to work hard to even get those 100). He was barely on the level of a demigod. He is in no shape to defeat Gilgeam as of the end of the novels. And Gilgeam is a racist that would exterminate all dragonborn rather than assimilate them (he killed a lot in the novels. For him, they weren't even worthy as slaves). So, following that lore, there is no way the dragonborn are a "minority" in Unther. If Tymanther is not mentioned, the dragonborn were probably wiped out (that would make the old guard happy, and as 5e is all about pleasing them...)

But, I'll wait, there is still a month or so for the books to be released. I'm just pessimistic.
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I am 100% confident that WotC is not going to put a genocide or ethnic cleansing in their books. If they do not end up with their own country or a minority of Unther, there'll probably be some large dragonborn diaspora which explains why we've seen art of Cormyryian Dragonborn PDKs.
 




Parmandur said:
Dragonborn are simply common in the FR now.

Just look at the handling in the DMG presentation of Greyhawk, no eay this is any different from that.
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Then why erase their home country? It makes no sense to say "they are common" while destroying their place of origin.

But, they did exactly the same with Many-Arrows en 5e 2014...
 


Eh, no. Narratively, dragonborn are literally aliens in the Realms. Unlike orcs, that are more ubiquitous, dragonborn actually came from another planet and had only two places were they come from in Faerûn (Tymanther and Returned Abeir). If they are in other places, is in the same way we saw in BG3 (a lone individual here and there, never in big numbers). So, erasing these places basically erases the dragonborn.

Greyhawk is different because Greyhawk never had an established lore about dragonborn. They can say "they always were there" without contradicting previous materials. But in FR is different.
 

Zeromaru X said:
No Tymanther mentioned. Sad, seems they wiped out the dragonborn of the Realms.
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I doubt that very much. It's more likely they now count it as part of Unther given that Enlil, the Untherite Head God saved both of their biggest cities and many Dragonborn refugees, and they took in Untherites who'd left Gilgeam's forces. It's kind of taking on the flavour of a civil war between Untherite Gods.

Also note every Mulan God is gone from the list of Faerunian Gods, Sharess/Bast, Hoar/Assuran, Tiamat, Bahumut/Marduke all not on the list. We know Gilgeam and Enlil are around, but also not on the list. Could be seeing the rebirth of the Mulhorandi and Untherite Pantheons, or something stranger still, a unified Mulan Pantheon? Could more Mulan Gods get resurrected?
 

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