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Also whilst I mentioned he is good at hiring the right people, it's come to light that the process they use to do this is sometimes nightmarish and exploitative:


There's more reporting on other people with similar experiences here:


(Getting hired in games is a pretty horrible experience everywhere right now, but Larian really piss writers around.)

Obviously I feel a little mixed on this because it seems like it's had some good results and also resulted in hiring people who weren't even the videogame industry. And I suspect that latter may lead to acquiring better writers than solely hiring people with videogame experience, not trying to be mean but I think a lot of the "last twenty years" writers for videogames are kind of mid and most haven't really "shown improvement" in later games they've worked on (nor when going indie, interestingly - David Gaider's indie work is very solid but it's clear BioWare was not "holding him back", for example). In fact, some, like Chris Avellone, seem to be turbines winding down, with their best work at the start of their career, and steadily worse and more stereotypical contributions since then (whilst apparently also becoming increasingly hard to work with). The latter is not infrequently true of genre writers outside videogames too of course.
That sounds like a grind, and I talk to escalated people on the phone all day.
 

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Whelp, from AI enshitification, to abusive hiring and HR practices, now we have a hostile bigoted and sexually abusive work environment, not a good week for Larian:

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Whelp, from AI enshitification, to abusive hiring and HR practices, now we have hostile bigoted and sexually abusive work environment
Larian’s offices are mostly based in Europe, where workers have significant protection. Right-wing views may not be fireable offence there, or at least could require a significant paper trail. The harassment is clearly totally unacceptable.
 


Larian’s offices are mostly based in Europe, where workers have significant protection. Right-wing views may not be fireable offence there, or at least could require a significant paper trail. The harassment is clearly totally unacceptable.
You know, you could just... not speculate wildly about Europe as it if was Mars or Faerun.

I can tell you, you can absolutely fire someone in any country Larian has offices in*, for expressing fascist/racist views - they're not a protected characteristic (insanely, bigoted anti-trans views specifically and limitedly are, in the UK, but that's because we're TERF Island, and the establishment is rife with by extreme anti-trans psychos - but even here you could and probably would be jailed for the sexual assault described). In fact the opposite of what you're suggesting is true in of most of Western Europe. Expressing racist-type fascist views in a workplace, to other employees (as is described), kind of effectively requires you to fire that person, because otherwise you're opening yourself up to not only civil suits by other employees, but potentially significant financial penalties or other actions from governments at potentially local, state/sub-state-equivalent, and national levels for allowing/encouraging harassment.

And no, it doesn't require "a significant paper trail", I don't know what country you're from but the weird ideas you're pulling out of nowhere hear make your post sound very much like an American who has never visited Europe and has some very exaggerated ideas about it.

* = I don't know about Malaysia to be honest, and I'm less certain re: Poland effective requiring you to fire them but it'd definitely be an option you could easily take. But certainly Ireland, Belgium, Spain, Britain, it's an extremely bad idea to keep a fascist/open racist on staff, legally-speaking. I haven't been able to work out which office is being referred to here. Contrary to the thread the only named person - Felix Pedulla - is actually no longer a Larian employee over two weeks ago he joined CDPR (so before the sexual assault mentioned was revealed). Wonder if CDPR are going to keep him after this, given he's presumably still in a probationary period. He's based in Warsaw, so I'm guessing this was Warsaw, which would be where the weakest protections were - but that cuts both ways. There's just no possibility "It's hard to fire him for legal reasons" was a real concern. Absolute worst case you could put him on gardening leave. This isn't like firing a union guy in some heavily unionised industry with strict rules that have been in place for decades. It's like firing any other random office worker. So if this is all accurate, and it does sound like Swen-coded behaviour, then that's straightforwardly bad management, not only exposing employees to harassment and even assault, but exposing the company legally from multiple angles.
 
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You know, you could just... not speculate wildly about Europe as it if was Mars or Faerun
It was indeed speculation - but I’ve seen many folks from the US outraged that the fella wasn’t fired immediately, and sometimes reminding them that the whole world doesn’t work by the same rules is useful. Perhaps it was unnecessary on ENWorld - if I came across as trying to teach you to suck eggs, I apologize. You also followed by brief note with a very long post with a lot of speculation about both where the employee in question was located, and also, bizarrely, my national origin.

I won’t be shocked if it turns out Sven is a bad manager, but I do wonder if the backlash is in part because Larian was perceived to be some kind of gaming paradise when if fact it was just a gaming company, with all the associated good work practices and management decisions that entails. I do apologize for my additional speculation; I hope in your reply you don’t fell the need to tell me about my political leanings and favourite ice cream flavours.
 
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You also followed by brief note with a very long post with a lot of speculation about both where the employee in question was located, and also, bizarrely, my national origin.
As I said, the sex assault guy appears to be based in Warsaw. No idea how that could be confusing and it's certainly not "speculation" in the same sense as "Right-wing views may not be fireable offence there, or at least could require a significant paper trail". That's the least-informed possible kind of speculation.

I also didn't speculate about where you were - I literally said I didn't know. So maybe read a little more carefully?

Finally, this is ENworld baby, if you don't like long posts responding to short ones, maybe get with the program lol? That's how a lot of people here roll. Complaining about it is just kinda funny.

It was indeed speculation - but I’ve seen many folks from the US outraged that the fella wasn’t fired immediately, and sometimes reminding them that the whole world doesn’t work by the same rules is useful.
Okay, maybe someone somewhere on Twitter or something was, I have no idea, but no-one here was. The comment you responded was doing no such thing. So I'm not seeing how that's really relevant. And if you were informing people with specifics or useful generalities that weren't speculative, then it would make sense. But I don't see the value of vague speculation which could have been made informed by 30 seconds on Google.

Also to be honest, I think most Americans who aren't like, kids or terminally ignorant are aware that the world varies, employment-law-wise. The US itself does as most employment laws are state-specific.
 

I won’t be shocked if it turns out Sven is a bad manager, but I do wonder if the backlash is in part because Larian was perceived to be some kind of gaming paradise when if fact it was just a gaming company, with all the associated good work practices and management decisions that entails.
Treating this separately, I think the issue is that Swen (not Sven, but I assume that's autocorrect's devilish hand at work) has promoted Larian specifically on that basis!

You seem to be writing here as if people had merely assumed Larian were a "gaming paradise" (whatever that means - presumably you actually mean "worker's paradise"?) because they made a good game. But that's not the case. People believed that because it's what Swen said!

He has often talked about how great a place to work Larian is, and has promoted worker rights in general as a concept, and complained about the poor treatment of workers in the games industry. He has consciously and intentionally associated good work practices with Larian as a brand. For example, he specifically talked about how, with most games companies (and this is true, certainly in the AAA space), they hire up a bunch of people (not as contractors, but full employees), then fire 30-60% of them when a project ends, or worse, at some point during a project, which is quite a destructive cycle, and made a point about how Larian doesn't and won't do this (which seems to be true - we haven't seen significant layoffs at Larian post-BG3). He's also talked about avoiding crunch and other worker issues.

So the reaction to his company having bad worker issues like these here will naturally be worse than one where it's well-known that they're awful, like EA (a publisher so not a 1:1 comparison, but you know what I mean). It's always worse to see a company that claims to be doing things the right way doing bad things, isn't it?

The one thing I will say re: hiring - not anything else - is that if you are reluctant to fire people, you need to be very careful about hiring, which might explain some of the ludicrous and I would say, exploitative, practices Larian has apparently engaged in re: hiring.

But stuff like "We can't* fire this nazi, we need him to finish the game!!!" puts a very different colour to his frequent "I'm so pro-employee!!!" claims (again, these are public claims he's made repeatedly, and he's even attacked other companies over bad treatment of staff), and that he let multiple of these guys just hang out and keep acting poorly even after being informed does not reflect well on Larian or Swen particularly.

And sadly, I would say it's kind of easy to believe given Swen's attitudes generally, and his propensity to take rather strange stances.

* = (and there's no way that's true either, to be clear - this is a game with 400 people working on it, literally none of them are that important or impossible to replace, including Swen himself, so if Swen said that, he was being irrational.)
 

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