Beyond Favorite vs. Best - the Cream of the Crop (TV/Film Discussion)

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I. PREAMBLE: Some Ruminations on Favorite vs. Best, and the Cream (huh?)
In a recent thread, Morrus made a side comment about differentiating "best" and "favorite" when it comes to film. I have gone back and forth about this, and actually veer more towards Morrus' side. On one hand, I get the view that when talking about films, a lot of it is subjective, and one's personal favorite is, by a certain definition, the "best" for oneself.On the other hand, I do think it is a meaningful distinction, as a film can be a good cinematic quality and be a drag to watch, or can be quite entertaining but of limited cinematic chops.

let's contrast some films. In one corner, we films of high regard for their cinematic quality like There Will Be Blood and No Country For Old Men. Both are excellent films, very well made and acted. Daniel Day-Lewis' performance in the former is frequently mentioned as among the best acting roles in cinematic history, and Javier Bardem in the latter as one of the best villains. But...I watched both once and don't see myself re-watching either, unless it is years from now when my memory has faded. I did like both, and appreciated their cinematic quality, but they aren't "favorites." A more extreme example is Requiem for a Dream, which was also very well made and acted, but exceedingly unpleasant to watch. Similarly with Mystic River.

(I think part of the problem with such films is that they tend to be focused on the worst pathos of humanity, perhaps increasingly so over the decades, as if quality must equal extreme pathos. Contrast that with Sinners which, while certainly filled with pathos, had an underlying redemptive quality, and presented elements of beauty that are lacking in Requiem or, for the most part, only used in terms of the cinematic craft in No Country, et al)

On the other side of things are "comfort/entertainment films" - films you watch when you're feeling down, or just want something pleasant playing in the background while you type on your favorite internet haunt. They are films you tend to re-watch, maybe several times. "I'm in the mood for X." These vary by the individual, but may or may not be of "cinematic quality." For me these are often well-made romantic comedies, such as Notting Hill or You've Got Mail, or some of the Judd Apatow films. Or to take some example of films that I enjoy re-watching every few years because they scratch a certain itch (in this case, mega-disaster), but I don't see as being all that well made, 2012 or Deep Impact (not quite "comfort" films, but certainly entertaining).

And then we have a third category, which I will call the "cream of the crop:" Those films that are both well-made and personally enjoyable to watch. They might be more quality or comfort focused, but have just enough of the other But this is subjective. We can argue over the "best," but we can't argue over comfort films, or even "personal bests" that combine comfort and quality.

I think cream of the crop could include those films that are either of such transcendent quality that any notion of "entertainment" is irrelevant, or some entertaining that the entertainment value equates with quality (doing what it intends to do, but very very well). For the latter, I think Pulp Fiction--which was self-consciously meant to be entertaining, with no subtext or deeper meaning; for the former, I think Terrance Malick at his very best, especially The Thin Red Line or Tree of Life.

So we have:

Best: Films of the highest cinematic quality, in terms of cinematography, scripting, acting, etc.
Favorite: Comfort films, personal favorites, etc. Generally more variable in quality.
Cream (of the Crop): Films that combine both of the two factors above, for oneself.

II. THIS THREAD - What It Is (Supposed to Be) About
My first notion is to ask for:

Five TV Series That are Cream of the Crop (for you)
But you can include as many as you want, and/or address other categories:

Films that are Cream of the Crop
Films or Series of X Genre that are Cream of the Crop
THE ONE RULE
I have is to focus on "cream of the crop" - films or series that you find both of at least very good cinematic quality AND are among your personal favorites, for simple enjoyment and/or comfort and/or depth/meaning. Or to put it simply: Films/Series that are BOTH very well-made AND very entertaining.

Feel free to include films that you see among the Best or Favorites, but mostly for contrast (like I did above).

III. DO IT!
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Five TV series that are the cream of the crop, defined as both well-regarded and personally preferred:
  • The Good Place
  • Ashes to Ashes (you can add in Life on Mars on top of that if you like)
  • Sky Castle (Korean)
  • Ted Lasso
  • Pride and Prejudice (1995)
Five movies that are the cream of the crop by the same criteria:
  • This is Spinal Tap
  • Apollo 13
  • K-Pop Demon Hunters
  • The Lady Eve
  • It’s a Wonderful Life
 


Since I already did films ... this year's cream of the crop of TV came down to two series for me:

Andor S2: Worthy of all the accolades, and well worth the wait, S2 of Andor was iconic and now cements Andor as one of the best Sci-fi series I've ever watched. So many quotable moments, excellent acting, this was just very good.

And the late entry, Heated Rivalry. I expected I was going to enjoy a smutty series about queer hockey players. I was not expecting to be moved to tears by this explosion of queer joy and genuinely touching romance. This show blindsided me and yes, might settle down in the ratings later, but ... I dunno, this was just nothing I've seen before and didn't know I needed.
 

TV:

Game of Thrones
Black Sails
...err...that's about it

Movies:

Lord of the Rings (Jackson, all three)
Avengers Infinity War and Endgame (and about fifteen other MCU films)
This Is Spinal Tap
James Bond (Daniel Craig series)
The Thomas Crown Affair (Pierce Brosnan version)
 

TV shows.
Cream of the Crop

Sopranos
Breaking Bad
The Wire
Rome (HBO)
Ted Lasso

I like all of these shows.

Personal Favorites

Justified
Stargate Atlantis/SG1
Taskmaster
Survivor/Australian Survivor (Traitors catching up)
Various others (B5, GoT S1-4, Andorra, Random S1&2 ).

Alot of critical favorites movies are boring historical dramas aimed at 50+ white males upper middle class type snobs. Needs more sex and violence.
 

My Top Five Cream of the Crop TV Series:
In no particular order, thought Leftovers might be first among near-equals.
  • The Leftovers - Started watching this when it came out, watched the first two seasons and really liked it, but for some reason didn't watch S3, which I just finished up a month ago. Wow. Every season is great, but S3 was wonderful - some of the episodes rate as among the various best of any show, especially the Scott Glenn in the Outback one and the last episode, which was beautiful and poignant. This might be the first series that I might re-watch for a third time.
  • The Dark - A great German scifi series with so many elements in the mix.
  • True Detective, season 1 - Season 2 was ok, season 3 better, season 4 meh, but the first was near perfect television.
  • Black Spot - A French-Belgian supernatural thriller with two seasons that really needs a third, though it is complete enough at two. Strangely enough, it is named Zone Blanche in French.
  • Game of Thrones - Revolutionized fantasy on tv and hasn't been equalled since. This is the longest series that I've watched through twice, with the exception of Seinfeld.

On the Cusp (Honorable Mention):
  • Severance - Let's see how it turns out, but it is really good. Definitely a show that could end up disappointing, though.
Honorable Mentions (that missed the cut):
  • Bordertown - I don't know if it is the best Nordic Noir, but it introduced me to the genre. Trapped might be a bit better.
  • Trapped - Great show, tempting to make the above be a list of six.
    Deadwood - Was a revelation in terms of scripting and dialogue. Oh, the pigs.
  • Six Feed Under - When I first watched this 20 years ago, it was probably my favorite tv show at that point in time, but upon trying to re-watch, it doesn't hold up as well. Still very good, though.
  • Star Trek: The Next Generation - 90s tv makes this too uneven, but definitely rates high nostalgia and entertainment value.
  • The Twilight Zone - The show still holds up, six decades later. It is an honorable mention, because I prefer a big story to anthologies.
  • X-Files - See ST: TNG.

New in 2025 (to me) Series I Liked
I don't think any of these will take a spot in my top 5, but they're all newish series that I enjoyed:
  • Black Doves - Just a fun spy thriller.
  • Dept Q - Fun, quirky spies.
  • Strike - This is the only one that has a chance of breaking into the top 5. Really enjoyed this one.
  • Star Trek: Strange New Worlds - I know I'm behind. My feelings about this one are a solid grade B. Better than Discovery, but still not as good as TNG or TOS. Still on season 1, though.
 

Cream 'o' Crop TV Series; (pretty tough since there has been a lot of absolutely incredible TV work in the last 20 years alone.)
Star Trek Deep Space Nine.
There is a lot to discuss here. TOS was culturally impactful both as sci-fi hitting prime time TV waves but also featuring a diverse cast. Entirely surface level but still impressive for the 60's. TNG did a lot more work in making the diversity matter more, but more importantly in a way that wasnt obvious and on the nose. DS9 actually goes ever further and uses its themes to examine culture, politics, and war in ways that the cream of the crop Sci-Fi does.

Further more, DS9 was one of the early adopters of serial television. What I believe to be the evolution of the series that makes it a top contender with film. DS9 benefited greatly from the writers, sets, and momentum of TNG which is something most shows can only dream of working with. The character arcs, the cultural examination, all with consistent execution allowed the rare transcendence from sci-fi show to general audience and critic notice that makes for cream of crop material.

The Sopranos.
This is the series that solidified serial writing and production in television. It wasnt the first, but it was the one that shown us that cream of crop TV is possible. While Coppola showed us the upper management of the mafia, and Marty showed us the middle management, Chase somehow gave us both by going to Jersey of all places. Finally, we got to see not just a mobster calling the shots, committing crimes and causal homicide, but one where he talks to his kids about mundane life like homework and college applications. We finally had the time to see a world in which a mobster lives not in their criminal capacity, but in their place in society alongside it. Remarkable and standard setting in the television landscape.

Black Sails.
An adult treatment of Treasure Island as a prequel. On the surface Black Sails looks like a Michael Bay produced attempt to do Game of Thrones pirates, but it was far more than that. Like Sopranos, we finally get treated to a historical drama about Pirates and the life they led. The meta threat that ever loomed over their heads and the few cream of the crop characters that arose to challenge it. This show is rare in that it doesn't fall into the reset and repeat trope of television. That, each season moves the story and characters with it naturally. Black Sails does it from start to finish, consistently, a feat that very few series can claim making it cream 'o' crop of television.

Watchmen.
Sequels are always a crapshoot. New writers making up new material and adaptions of previously written material even more so. It's pretty clear that Lindelof and crew got the assignment. Not only did they adapt something that felt natural for the source material, they did it in a way that was culturally critical beyond the source material. Watchmen is also the perfect length in a limited series. A rare gem that fires on all cylinders and stops before it runs out of gas.

The Left Overs.
Lost done correctly.

Honorable mentions;
The Expanse. 3 seasons of some of the best writing in sci-fi and television then Amazon took over...
Game of Thrones. When Martin's writing ran out, the show went into the toilet.
The Borgias (showtime) Loosely based on historical events, but a devious drama about feudal life and the papacy.
Pillars of the Earth excellent mini series and well cast.
Man in the High Castle. Highly conceptual by one of the best sci-fi authors. The adaption eventually seemed aimless.
Counterpart. Imaginative sci-fi mixed with cold war spy genre. J.K. Simmons!
Ray Donovan hollywood fixer. Too many seasons.
Homeland modern spy political thriller. Too many seasons.
Fargo and True Detective. Anthologies that are hit and miss.
 

TV:

Buffy the Vampire Slayer
True Detective (season 1)
Twilight Zone
Taskmaster
Sesame Street

Honorable Mentions: Neon Genesis Evangelion, Hannibal, Law and Order, Dragnet, Ed Sullivan, Jeopardy, What's My Line, CBS Evening News with Walter Cronkite, South Park, Futurama, Pop Up Video

I feel like the emphasis on long form drama is a mistake for the idea of "cream of the crop" television. We can get long form drama in movies, books, and even video games. TV should be celebrated as a unique source of immediate, reliable, and continuous entertainment and information. The cream of the crop is the stuff you put on every day, either as background or as daily routine. Things like syndicated shows, game shows, news programs, and ripped-from-the-headlines plots deserve more recognition as being the best of what the medium can offer. Then again, I still included True Detective. 🤷‍♂️

Movies:

WALL-E
Alien
The Thing
Star Wars
12 Angry Men

Honorable Mentions: Grave of the Fireflies, 2001 A Space Odyssey, My Cousin Vinny, Citizen Cane, Spirited Away, Witness For The Prosecution, Hereditary, Shawshank Redemption

These are my shoot-from-the-hip answers. I may come back and change some later. I feel like I'm forgetting a few.
 
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I feel like the emphasis on long form drama is a mistake for the idea of "cream of the crop" television. We can get long form drama in movies, books, and even video games. TV should be celebrated as a unique source of immediate, reliable, and continuous entertainment and information. The cream of the crop is the stuff you put on every day, either as background or as daily routine. Things like syndicated shows, game shows, news programs, and ripped-from-the-headlines plots deserve more recognition as being the best of what the medium can offer. Then again, I still included True Detective. 🤷‍♂️
Im...pretty much the opposite. I live for the long form drama. Though, I could see splitting the difference with the limited series.
 

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