Pathfinder Announces Two New Rulebooks

doctorhook said:

Okay, don’t play it then if you find it boring.

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Telling people who criticise a game not to play it is not OK. People are allowed to criticise the games they play--even the games they enjoy.

Incenjucar said:

While magic is fairly common the world is not fully saturated with it and high level casters are still rare and precious and not super likely to want to play with boats or blowing up walls when they could be delving into the secrets of the universe or connecting with creatures from beyond.

Plus the oceans and castles are just as likely to be magical, and most of your magical resources might be used just to get back to status quo.

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I dunno I think some would play with boats... they don't need to live on them.

a modern boat in real world doesn't have engineers on board that can build engines from scratch.

So a fantasy boat wouldn't have mages on board.

You hollow out a tree trunk and cast some permanent enchantment on it that siphons water in one end and expels it out the other end... you now have a jetski engine... you put a couple magical glyphs on it you can touch to turn it on or off and allow it to be redirected to change course and DONE... now a barely trained level 1 can move a ship that has no sails.

in 2nd edition D&D the first thing i did on every cleric I made that was able to cast level 3 spells was buy a few scroll tubes.

I would then walk into the woods find a rock that fit in the scroll tube... I would then find a pine tree.

Remove scroll tube cap
Put sap in the bottom of the tube.
Cast continual Light on rock
Drop rock in tube...
replace cap.

Done.. you have a flashlight. Repeat for each person in the party... that light works everywhere... underwater... in a cave.. even a place that has magical darkness.

To think someone in a fantasy world would be too dumb to sort this out with a wisdom of 18-20 is laughable.

You can even mount the scroll tube to a hat or shield to free up a hand.

I am sure there is a way to make a boat that needs no sails in a fantasy realm... the trick is... can you do it in a way that isn't game breaking

I mean "I need to get 20 metric tons of wool to this city... so I need a ship that measures X feet long and is staffed by 12 people to main the sails due to it's size"

Why? you can make a bag of holding.. why can't you make a crate of holding?.. you can put 100 cubes of stuff all in the same space as part of one cube... you just need the opening to be long enough... and a rope tied to each thing so you can haul it back out without going inside... so the ship can be shorter and is lighter and demands less staff as a result.

You have to think outside the box.

Now as a DM will you allow these things or will you limit them etc etc... that is the thing... like would I allow a player to build a fighter jet? naughty word no...

But a small boat with a crate of holding and a propulsion system that enabled travel as fast as sails? maybe.

I have thought that the 2e CL flashlight was one of the reasons 3e switched to Continual Flame. Really, CL pretty well made any place well lit at night. A town could retain a low level wizard/cleric to maintain the town's lighting system in return for a place to live and keep a research lab. It still works with the later CF, it just looks more period. Then there are the magic mouth alarm systems. The create water plumbing systems. And the ever popular Southwest Wizards Teleport Transport system. Wizard for Waterdeep now departing from Gate 3...

For bulk transport, gate spells might be the answer. No need for ships, just shove the stuff through the gate.

Looking forward to the High Seas book. Currently in a PF1 Freeport based game but location and NPC descriptions and maps are fairly system agnostic.

Im pretty excited for High Seas and I dont even play PF2 currently.

Looking forward to both of these books! PF2E Remaster appears to be the system my group has settled on for the foreseeable future.

That art looks stunning!

I wonder if High Seas is a test for the Starfinder 2e ship combat system or vice versa?

Justice and Rule said:

Also worth remembering that a bunch of spells are technically legacy content since the remaster. There are certainly a good amount of spells, but many more that haven't been remastered.

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If it’s mostly spells that haven’t been remastered but still need I think that’s fine. I thought it was almost entirely new spells on first read.

Maybe other groups are different, but in the best several years of playing 2e my group only used a tiny handful of spells. It just feels like so many spells are filler to me.
I wish the system had far fewer spells but most spells were like Heal or Harm where you could use one, two or three actions for different effects/variants of the spells.
That’s probably more of a 3e major design change if they continue either the 3 action system.

CommodoreKong said:

If it’s mostly spells that haven’t been remastered but still need I think that’s fine. I thought it was almost entirely new spells on first read.

Maybe other groups are different, but in the best several years of playing 2e my group only used a tiny handful of spells. It just feels like so many spells are filler to me.
I wish the system had far fewer spells but most spells were like Heal or Harm where you could use one, two or three actions for different effects/variants of the spells.
That’s probably more of a 3e major design change if they continue either the 3 action system.

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Secrets of Magic had over 200 spells in it according to the back cover so if this book reprints those with whatever remaster tweaks are needed, you're close to the 240 right there. Add in whatever spells are new for the necromancer and runesmith and the number makes a lot of sense.

I'm curious to see how they tweak the magus and summoner. One of the players in my current PF2 game is playing a summoner, hopefully he'll be able to easily update (bare minimum, I hope the Legacy spells he's using get updated with correct typing).