D&D General Greyhawk book is NOT 'Shield Lands' but 'Borderlands of Iuz' according to team member

Mort · 2026-04-07T21:38:44+0100

Dire Bare said:
Not in my experience.

I mean, it's not the end of the world . . . but it doesn't inspire confidence about the quality of the project.

I don't see that much contradiction:

Both say it's an official WoTC product but worked on by Luke and some others (not WoTC staff employees).

As for the title issue. Quite possibly multiple Melf's guides to Greyhawk are being contemplated and there was some confusion as to specifics or order.

Guess we'll see as this gets developed, hopefully it's not vaporware!

Whizbang Dustyboots · 2026-04-07T21:45:37+0100

bedir than said:
"one of the biggest things I'm most excited about is Luke coming back into the franchise and we're going to be doing some stuff together."

"So, uh we're going to be releasing a bunch of Luke's stuff um specifically around Greyhawk uh to start."

"Stuff" and "some stuff." Not super-specific.

bedir than said:
"we're looking to put that out, uh, officially through, uh, through Wizards of the Coast, which would be awesome."

"We're looking to" and it "would be." Not super-concrete and it suggests that all of the details haven't been hammered out yet.

bedir than said:
"I'm going to get to publish official D&D products in Greyhawk. And the name Gyax is going to be on official D&D products again."

"Official D&D products" can mean a lot. I know everyone (including me) wants this to be hardcover books, but Gygax could absolutely be talking about DMs Guild here (because you can't publish anything other than journalism with the Greyhawk name on it without WotC's permission, which the Gygax family knows better than most), a D&D Beyond release, or a hard copy volume. We literally don't know.

bedir than said:
Summary of Justice
As Luke and Dan said, we're supporting modules now (a call back to those two talking about working together on physical modules via Encounters in Greyhawk).

This is drawing conclusions not based on available evidence. A perfect example of people deciding what they want to be true is actually true.

VashVet · 2026-04-07T21:57:16+0100

I don’t understand why we’re getting different information from different sources versus one single spokesperson about the product. It would be better overall if there was some coordination around it rather than just people posting randomly, whether they’re on the team or not.

bedir than · 2026-04-07T21:57:33+0100

Whizbang Dustyboots said:
This is drawing conclusions not based on available evidence. A perfect example of people deciding what they want to be true is actually true.

No, this was reading through the two and a half hours of the pressers, again. I summarized Justice because the filler words were too numerous and the chunking of incomplete sentences made a quote unethical. Trained journalists (like myself) do this all the time.

And not taking the word of a single writer who wasn't in attendance as more knowledgeable than every single participant in the events.

Whizbang Dustyboots · 2026-04-07T22:00:37+0100

bedir than said:
No, this was reading through the two and a half hours of the pressers, again. I summarized Justice because the filler words were too numerous and the chunking of incomplete sentences made a quote unethical. Trained journalists (like myself) do this all the time.

And what would your lede be after all of this? What's the nut graf? Because the stuff you're directly citing is pretty thin.

Morrus · 2026-04-07T22:00:50+0100

VashVet said:
I don’t understand why we’re getting different information from different sources versus one single spokesperson about the product. It would be better overall if there was some coordination around it rather than just people posting randomly, whether they’re on the team or not.

But that’s no fun!

VashVet · 2026-04-07T22:03:12+0100

Morrus said:
But that’s no fun!

Fair!

devlin1 · 2026-04-07T22:03:44+0100

Morrus said:
The Shield Lands, by contrast, refer to a number of provinces, many of which are ruled by Iuz, with the exception of the 'New Shield Lands', which seeks to reclaim the areas lost to Iuz.

Wildly incongruous with the DMG and with Legends of Greyhawk, which winds the clock back to 576 CY. Iuz hasn't conquered any portion of the Shield Lands yet. Sounds like someone's stuck in 591 CY/Living Greyhawk! Hopefully it isn't Gygax et al.

Morrus · 2026-04-07T22:05:41+0100

devlin1 said:
Wildly incongruous with the DMG and with Legends of Greyhawk, which winds the clock back to 576 CY. Iuz hasn't conquered any portion of the Shield Lands yet. Sounds like someone's stuck in 591 CY/Living Greyhawk! Hopefully it isn't Gygax et al.

That’ll be me.

bedir than · 2026-04-07T22:18:25+0100

Whizbang Dustyboots said:
And what would your lede be after all of this? What's the nut graf? Because the stuff you're directly citing is pretty thin.

I'd ask WotC and Luke if there's been any change from their previous announced physical co-leased product focused on Greyhawk with supported modules.

And they'd reply "We'll tell you more at GenCon."