D&D General I’m Trying to Love D&D Again—and I’ve Got Some Complaints. Young Grognard posting.

Holy naughty word this blew up while I was at work! I don't think I'm going to be able to get back to everyone as personally as I was. Going to hit on topics I've seen multiple of and personal quotes for more unique questions. Firstly not bringing up anything on the mountain of pronoun talk as Mod's said to stop so it's stopping time on that point.

To the lovely people who recommended sites like the forums here, Meetup and Dragonsfoot I thank you very much! I'll be taking a look at each of them!

On third party. I do get what everyone's saying that it's more or less a force multiplier on both social and game strain. With more solid groups and solid 3pp content making an easier transition. It's just... that I feel duped and rug pulled on thinking the OGL and original creators mattered at all. I thought I was doing a good thing, getting a lot of cool things out of it, and then finding I just lit money in a fire. It has been really interesting hearing about history from 1-3E from you guys. I do have to find some of those and pop them open some time.

Picking the useful date out of what was a bit of kerfuffle that happened It seems that the old Christian adage I was taught growing up of hate the sin love the sinner is recommended to be just thrown out. With both those on seemingly both sides of this stating don't cross those lines. That does sadden me. I did use words in my post that were deliberately rude as I was a bit frustrated on what very much seemed that if a game has the LGBTQ+ posted in it being polite and kind to everyone does not matter if you don't also subscribe to the world view. It seems that is the case. For riling everyone up I'm sorry.

Hey bud...not wanting "the alphabet" at your table is an extremely political thing.
That was not said and not what I mean! I'm happy to play at a game with everyone! If I'm playing with someone of faith, doesn't matter what one. Who's done crimes, doesn't matter what ones. Employed/unemployed, doesn't matter. I don't think anyone here wants the first thing everyone hears at the start of the game to be, "Hi everyone I'm Sammael, before we begin can you all promise me you'd accepted Jesus as your one true king?". Now put that with any other faith, pronouns, anything. We're here to play a game as strangers, if we have fun and like each other we stick around. Why put anything that could make that a harder transition up front or at all? That's my point!

On the topic that was brought up a few times of DnD is more RP focused because of CR and DnD has different styles so can be anything. I get the first point, I dislike it but get it. That's easy for me to just ask on how RP focused a game is, I'm just frustrated on the fact that the majority of posting on the places I brought up were heavily focused on that. With a 80% RP 20% combat being the norm. On the other point of the game can be anything I'm having issues with this. I don't know if I'm not getting my point across well but I'm meaning the base DNA of it. I've seen and always played DnD as a wargame, the best games I was in ran it as such. Even the one that Rewrote Lost Mine into a western. The setting doesn't matter, the adventure doesn't matter, the rules and culture matter. I have my preferences on setting or adventure but when it's just throwing out the book to purely RP 4 session straight (that game really imprinted on me) I ask why do those people not play a different system? One that leans harder into RP and being more rules light. Some of you brought up systems I've never heard about that lean more in that direction. Why can't the little wargame that started everything stay as such?
 

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Also I wanted to ask again on something that I didn't see anyone touch about the 3pp. If WotC is putting out content that is looked at as broken in it's own light why is 3pp not having a more favorable view.
 


That was not said and not what I mean! I'm happy to play at a game with everyone! If I'm playing with someone of faith, doesn't matter what one. Who's done crimes, doesn't matter what ones. Employed/unemployed, doesn't matter. I don't think anyone here wants the first thing everyone hears at the start of the game to be, "Hi everyone I'm Sammael, before we begin can you all promise me you'd accepted Jesus as your one true king?". Now put that with any other faith, pronouns, anything.
No, you did say it, you just may not have meant to say it. The words mean the thing regardless.

Amd someone letting you know thier pronouns is not at all analogous to someone trying to convert you to their religion.
 



Also I wanted to ask again on something that I didn't see anyone touch about the 3pp. If WotC is putting out content that is looked at as broken in it's own light why is 3pp not having a more favorable view.
I buy a ton of 3pp content but never open most of the books. There is usually no need. I create or homebrew a lot as needed.

Also, if the entire group does not agree to the 3pp sources and have access to them, it is a bit unfair to the table. There needs to be a single set of rules that are used for the campaign.

Finally, there is enough 5.0 content to last years without repeat,
 


Also I wanted to ask again on something that I didn't see anyone touch about the 3pp. If WotC is putting out content that is looked at as broken in it's own light why is 3pp not having a more favorable view.

The fact that some WotC content ain't grand doesn't mean you should put other stuff that isn't great in your game, too; sometimes it means you should not use that bit of WotC content.

As for the rest, I think what you need to do is to be more explicit and descriptive about what playstyle you're looking for; there are all kinds out there, including what you seek. But tell people exactly what you're looking for- combat focused, flavored like earlier editions, probably sandboxy, with room for roleplaying but an emphasis on actually adventuring and not just talking a lot. I interpret your "old school flavor" as preferring a sword and sorcery, Conan/Fafhrd and the Grey Mouser flavor, rather than high magic everywhere, but correct me if I'm wrong. I feel like you want the flavor and feel of 1e. If you tell people that, you will find them or they will find you. Especially if you post in a variety of locations and forums and etc.

Good luck!
 

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