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    D&D 3E/3.5 Thoughts of a 3E/4E powergamer on starting to play 5E

    There's so much wrong here, I don't know where to start... I never said I don't care about or participate in things outside of combat. I just said I don't like spending character creation resources on them. Outside of combat, I usually dominate the party face role, whether I have the stats for...
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    D&D 3E/3.5 Thoughts of a 3E/4E powergamer on starting to play 5E

    You're missing the point. I want to know roughly what I can do and my chances without asking the DM. I want to have powers spells and abilities for stuff worked out in advance, known to the player. It's not about the DM refusing permission, it's about having to ask in the first place.
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    D&D 3E/3.5 Thoughts of a 3E/4E powergamer on starting to play 5E

    How I want to play is right in the book. I don't have to break any rules to do so. How is this such a crime? It sounds to me that you guys want your cake and to eat it too. You want to be able to build unoptimized chararacters without any consequences. If somebody at your table builds something...
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    D&D 3E/3.5 Thoughts of a 3E/4E powergamer on starting to play 5E

    You seem to presume a lot about a group of strangers you've never met
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    D&D 3E/3.5 Thoughts of a 3E/4E powergamer on starting to play 5E

    You and other people in this thread presume a lot about other people's tables. What of organized play? The game I was talking about joining in the OP is an organized table. Where does that fit into your worldview?
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    D&D 3E/3.5 Thoughts of a 3E/4E powergamer on starting to play 5E

    That's important to you, not me. All I ask for on the equality front is equality of opportunity. What I want out of the game is to kick ass. I don't need to be better than anyone to do that. If everyone kicks ass, I still kick ass and all is well. If some people choose to not kick ass, that...
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    D&D 3E/3.5 Thoughts of a 3E/4E powergamer on starting to play 5E

    The bolded part. Exactly that. I want to know in advance what I can do, or my rough chances of success so I can play tactically. Tactical play is difficult to impossible when it's subject to the DM's unknowable whim.
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    D&D 3E/3.5 Thoughts of a 3E/4E powergamer on starting to play 5E

    It's called special snowflake optimization, where you optimize how strange, unique or interesting your character is above any other concern. I saw a lot of it back in 3E where people would use templates, monsters as PCs, and strange class combinations and feats to do this mechanically as well as...
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    D&D 3E/3.5 Thoughts of a 3E/4E powergamer on starting to play 5E

    Not play, build. I offer to help people build stronger characters. After seeing my characters in play, I usually get a fair amount of requests. Why on earth would I do that?
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    D&D 3E/3.5 Thoughts of a 3E/4E powergamer on starting to play 5E

    I strongly disagree. 3E was the biggest tent D&D ever had, and I'd argue that 1E/2E was a bigger tent than 5E as well. I don't see how my optimizing necessarily ruins anyone else's fun, and have to wonder if for people that have their fun ruined by me being effective if it isn't a problem with...
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    D&D 3E/3.5 Thoughts of a 3E/4E powergamer on starting to play 5E

    Because it has less powers and abilities(though plenty of spells) that allow me to affect the game world without having to ask the DM for permission or interpretation, and the system as a whole emphasizes DM permission and interpretation more than 3E and 4E did.
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    D&D 3E/3.5 Thoughts of a 3E/4E powergamer on starting to play 5E

    I wasn't saying it wasn't strong so much as not feeling that sacrificing offense(damage or control) to do so was worth it.
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    D&D 3E/3.5 Thoughts of a 3E/4E powergamer on starting to play 5E

    Oh believe me, I got the memo on mobility already, if nothing else. I also have a great deal of expertise as a summoner in both 3E(Augmented Crocodiles FTW!) and 4E(Sentinel Druid with 4 companions)
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    D&D 3E/3.5 Thoughts of a 3E/4E powergamer on starting to play 5E

    both In multiplayer first person shooters, it's quite obvious the effectiveness of one person over another. In a MMO in group play, in a challenging dungeon/instance, if one of your party can't hack it usually means everybody dies, and it's usually crystal clear who is responsible. Not...
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    D&D 3E/3.5 Thoughts of a 3E/4E powergamer on starting to play 5E

    Player agency as in having codified powers, abilities or spells that allow me to affect the game world without having to ask the DM for permission or interpretation.
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    D&D 3E/3.5 Thoughts of a 3E/4E powergamer on starting to play 5E

    I would argue that during its time as the current edition of D&D, 3E was a much bigger tent than 5E. I would go as far as to say it's not even close. Now, 3E had a mountain of issues, and it might not have been as inclusive at any single table as it was as a whole(5E probably has it beat for...
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    D&D 3E/3.5 Thoughts of a 3E/4E powergamer on starting to play 5E

    I haven't really attempted anything yet, and as I said in a previous post dominating isn't the word from what I'm after. What is happening is that I'm experiencing a bit of a culture shock, and that my tastes as a player and a DM lie more on the player agency side of the spectrum, as opposed to...
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    D&D 3E/3.5 Thoughts of a 3E/4E powergamer on starting to play 5E

    To briefly indulge you, I wouldn't fit into that table, but it would be a problem with the DM, not the players. I could probably ignore a bunch of people dicking around while I kill things, as long as it gets done in the end. The issue would be that I infer from your comments that your DM has...
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    D&D 3E/3.5 Thoughts of a 3E/4E powergamer on starting to play 5E

    That doesn't have anything to do with anything I said in the post you're quoting.
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    D&D 3E/3.5 Thoughts of a 3E/4E powergamer on starting to play 5E

    I'm joining an Encounters table, which isn't that focused. It's going to be more or less the same table I've been observing the past few weeks, and the table isn't really focused on anything. Why do people assume that a table playing 5E of people they've never met is focused on anything?
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