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Touché! Still, not having played 4E doesn't grant you immunity to resorting to ad hominem argumentation in defense of 4E. And, by the way, I've encountered lots of 4E fanboys on diverse forums who never played it. That's nothing to do with 4E in particular, just the fact that 50%+ of the people...

I think it was mentioned before in this thread that, among other things, what put people off playing 4E was the rabid fans on the net who deteriorated into personal attacks and feeble ad hominem argumentation in response to arguments that were neither. You might want to consider that...

I think WotC were in a practical dilemma. The business cycle really mandated the D&D product line to be relaunched, lest that product line go out of existence entirely. However, to launch a new D&D product line, you've only got two choices. Either an ever so economical (read: minimal) re-touch...

Always good to read people who are "in the know", even when the point in question is factually wrong. And (independently of that), as for Wyatt having a stronger hand in 4E than Heinsoo, that's just bolllocks. True, James "wrote" an entire book mostly singlehandedly - the DMG, bar the final...

Vintage 1980 here too. Nice post, really, and captures what (I think) appeals most about 4E to older players: the streamlined mechanics, and the ease - especially for the DM - to run this thing fast and loose. For me, 3.5 was the complete opposite: prepping a session for 3.5 was careful...

I was THIS close to buying it. Thanks for saving me $12. What's wrong with WotC? How come EVERY 4th edition starters adventure module they've issued leans so heavily on the combat side? I mean, we're all fine here with D&D being combat-centric - but combat-exclusive? Honestly, after a very...

You definitely have a point there. But there are ways to introduce oases of character customization for levels 1-3 which would not have bloated the product. Suppose for instance that they had included four class templates with two ability arrays each (one for each build), and four racial...

Filthgrinder's post with the forest/tree analogy was pretty spot on. http://www.enworld.org/forum/4503324-post56.html People debating whether or not 4E feels like old school D&D argue about different things. Just summing up Filthgrinder's point, with which I thoroughly agree, 4E as a whole...

The net total of skill bonuses is calculated on the basis of extant skills and the PHB's say on which skills are trained for which class. The fact that being trained in Bluff (the 4E skill) gives you a net bonus of +15 on three rare skills is balanced against a +5 in a skill where checks are far...

Thanks, you caught me there with Survival. That was a factual error. As for your other comments, I direct you to premise "1) Familiarity" above. As I said, I'm not interested in debating that premise, I'm only interested in debating ways to accomodate it. And that's not out of dogmatism - I...

Thanks, Appraise slipped my mind. It's a typical case of what I want to keep: basically Insight covers two 3.5 skills which are based on different abilities - here: Wisdom (for Sense Insight) and Intelligence (for Appraise). I'll edit my post in light of this! I'm not in favour of introducing...

Hi everyone, It's been my experience with Skill Challenges that I'd like my players to have more of a variety of skills at their disposal. Like, you know, when we had 3rd edition. Now I totally understand that you may well not share this concern or desire. But on the supposition that you did...

Exactly my sentiments as well. I already inserted two vastly overpowered items from AV into my last session (overpowered meaning way above my PCs' level) but the utterly transparent and beautifully simple mechanics of 4E means I could have come up with a LOT of the item conversions and creations...

Ok, I see how my post can be taken that way, given how little history I have accumulated on this forum. For your information, I plan to stick with 3.5 and my post articulated worries coming from that end. Erik Mona has made it perfectly clear that backwards compatibility is now their prime...

If you look at Paizo's forums you see the same concerns echoed there. The only reason why we're not talking about "facts" here is that Pre-Release Alpha 2.0 is something else from the hardcover that's going to hit the shelves in August 2009. So my interest in "debate" at this point is nil.

Yep, that means competition with 4th edition is going to be much, much fiercer. It's important to keep clear about a couple of things, though. First, it's not as if Monte is now designing Pathfinder RPG. He is not. He's a "rules consultant" and what that involves is far from clear at this...