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    Pathfinder 2E Is It Time for PF2 "Essentials"?

    Again, the language you’re using suggests a conclusion that it is in trouble (which is the point of contention). “Would like to see Paizo succeed” who says they aren’t succeeding and what are the success criteria? “It’s not going to get the needed traction...” Again, how are you measuring...
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    Pathfinder 2E Is It Time for PF2 "Essentials"?

    No I’m not implying they are non profit. And thanks for the straw manning of me in a further post (real cute). I have not claimed they are non profit or a charity. Nor am I here to try and impress you. What I am saying is that your argument for their publishing rule books to satisfy their...
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    Pathfinder 2E Is It Time for PF2 "Essentials"?

    You mean the money they get from all the rules they publish for free?
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    Pathfinder 2E Is It Time for PF2 "Essentials"?

    I disagree. The statement paizo blew it is your subjectivism not an objectifiable fact. What you’re doing is bending over backwards to nail it to the cross of a badly designed game because it has mechanics and issues that you dislike, ignoring the points people do bring up. For example, you...
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    Pathfinder 2E Is It Time for PF2 "Essentials"?

    I don’t need to be. The fact that many are happy with Paizo’s choices is it’s own defence (not that it needs defending). This is supported by evidence of reviews, people posting here, on paizo’s site and indeed on Reddit. I have seen many Reddit posts on people having declares they are...
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    Pathfinder 2E Is It Time for PF2 "Essentials"?

    Several posters keep criticising paizo as producing a mess because they just don’t grok/ personally dislike the system (which in itself is fine as not all games are for all people) as if that justifies their personal views on the success of the system or is even relevant to the topic. This is...
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    Pathfinder 2E Is It Time for PF2 "Essentials"?

    So again, you’re jumping to a conclusion of failure here without much to support it. 1) There are several pages on this thread alone that show you cannot draw any meaningful conclusion from the VTT data beyond what is shows (that 5e is massively popular on Roll20 compared to everything else)...
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    Pathfinder 2E Is It Time for PF2 "Essentials"?

    But is there a problem with adoption in the community? You’ve already used vtt as a measurement and that’s been called into question. So how else are you gauging it?
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    Pathfinder 2E Is It Time for PF2 "Essentials"?

    Indeed. I wasn’t referring specifically to yourself. That last question begs another though, what is the metric of successful enough? It can’t be 5e. Should it even be pf1? Because pf1 was also a market aberration. Everything aligned for that to be in a position to compete with 4e in market...
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    Pathfinder 2E Is It Time for PF2 "Essentials"?

    You offer a very well articulated position, though I respectfully disagree with your conclusion regarding competition. You’re right in that they didn’t necessarily chose competition but I’d say from a different perspective. They just wanted to use a souped up 3.x as their vehicle for their APs...
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    Pathfinder 2E Is It Time for PF2 "Essentials"?

    You’re making the same mistake as others before in assuming paizo is interested in going head to head with wotc. They aren’t. No RPG can effectively compete with d&d for market share for any sustained amount of time (various factors have resulted in that occurring in the past). To Mark their...
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    D&D 2E Now I have the hankering to play a 2E game...

    Do it! I’m running a west marches AD&D2e game. It’s greatest strength is also it’s greatest weakness. There’s so many damn (and often contradictory) options. However, this makes it really easy to tinker with, meaning your AD&D2e game can run like a souped up B/X game (with most of the optional...
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    D&D General What makes D&D feel like D&D? (conclusions and follow-up questions)

    This is an interesting analysis. Worth bearing in mind though that a lot of the more “debatable” and “less important” ones were still in 4e (as well as the more definitive elements) and it was still criticised by many as “not feeling like d&d”. Regardless of one’s opinion on that, it was a...
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    Pathfinder 2E (WIP) Secrets of Old Pandora, Drafting my vision for a Pathfinder 2e West Marches

    Yup. I’ve definitely found this running my westmarches campaign. It’s definitely an approach that I’ve fallen in love with. I think, that, even were I to go back to a more traditional campaign model where I had guaranteed players for every session, it would still be a sandbox incorporating what...
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    Pathfinder 2E (WIP) Secrets of Old Pandora, Drafting my vision for a Pathfinder 2e West Marches

    These are some really cool thoughts actually on the approach, combined with Kenada’s campaign rulings of boosters for the lower characters. I did really weigh up using pathfinder 2 for mine, I instantly saw how those downtime rules could feed into building and expanding your character and home...
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    Pathfinder 2E (WIP) Secrets of Old Pandora, Drafting my vision for a Pathfinder 2e West Marches

    I’m really curious about this. How do you intend to effectively run a westmarches in pf2 (where players drop in and out and so can vary massively with xp and have different levels) with the tight monster maths (where perhaps a difference in level can mean a decent fight or getting one shotted?)...
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    Pathfinder 2E Is It Time for PF2 "Essentials"?

    Except this isn’t what objective means, so apparently you are in need of such a “lecture”. If you are defining it as objectively failing in explanation, providing “more complexity than is necessary”, that is subjective. There is no objective measurement of what is necessary...
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    Pathfinder 2E Is It Time for PF2 "Essentials"?

    It’s almost like it’s subjective rather than just a case of objective bad game design isn’t it?
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    Pathfinder 2E Is It Time for PF2 "Essentials"?

    The answer is, well it depends if that’s what you are vibing as a game. The first Question should be: is that the game for me? The second question is “does this mean it’s actually poorly designed, or just not aligned with my tastes?” just throwing it out there...
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    Pathfinder 2E Is It Time for PF2 "Essentials"?

    Which is why the inclusive “we” was used and highlights as to why the premise of this post was flawed when it cites falling VTT market share as a need for pathfinder essentials. We know that generally as figures, they can’t gauge actual popularity or use without sparking the pages long threads...
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