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Right yeah, I get it. The ten minute activities here are good indicators for resource consumption and that mirrors b/x.

Ok, but how does pf2 specifically enable this as a rule set compared to say 5e? I genuinely seemed to have missed this possibility from my reading of the rules.

Ok, I must have glossed over this when I read the through the rulebook. In what way would you say exploration mode provides a stronger basis than the exploration pillar in 5e? They basically say, when you’re not in combat in the dungeon, you can explore and look around and I was like, yeah...

What is this “new-old school style of play”? I’m intrigued. Like Kenada, I’ve mainly moved to OSE for my gaming fix as I’m falling in love more and more with the assumptions of OSR gaming. Whenever I get the urge for something crunchy, I’ve jettisoned 5e for pf2 for my more “modern” gaming.

That's great and all, but here we are talking about the beginner box as a product. I think it's already well understood from your multiple threads that you dislike pf2. What is becoming personally irritating is your statement of opinion as absolute fact and making the case from there. "It's a...

You can also run the 1e modules in there without a problem. Most of the best quality 2e modules were actually in Dungeon magazine at the time. It might be worth tracking down those old issues.

Yup, as Nilbog said, here you aren’t comparing like for like. I get that you are new to the system. I can imagine it took you time. I can also imagine it took you a long time in 5e as well the first time you made them. Yes PF2 ancestry adds modifiers to your scores. Oh wait, so does race in 5e...

Not at all. I get what you’re saying and it’s unreasonable to expect that a published rpg product would take the time and page count to discuss changes from a previous edition (outside of specific conversion guides and the like). Being generous and applying that to the actual rulebook, again...

That is just, wow... An introductory set is to introduce that particular product. Where in the 5e starter set does it lay out the differences to 4e? It doesn’t even mention it! Same with the 4e box set from 3e and so on. There is no clarification because none is needed

Why would a beginner box for a game reference changes made from a previous edition? That’s just...It’s knowledge that isn’t needed. What it does do, and do well (IMO) is give you options to create your character (culled from a larger variety of the CRB) and the tools to level them up to level...

Why would it need to? It’s a beginner box?

yup. Exactly as Kenada said. You can happily pick each one blind if you wanted. The next time you choose, the options presented can also really obviously compliment one of your previous choices, potentially making the decision point easier.

I would contend that a like for like level 1 character doesn’t. If you’re talking jumping in and starting level 5 then yeah, obviously it would take longer as you’ve a lot more to choose from and tweak. 5e: choose your race, choose background. choose your class, apply class benefits, apply...

Conversely I’ve run beginners through it and not had the problem. Other complete beginner groups have run it and not had that experience.

Something is going wrong there with the character creation process if your rogue bonuses to hit are that low. Now that on its own could stand as an indictment of beginner understanding of the box, but I’m confused as to how that’s occurred. That spider chamber has 5*7 squares and change to move...

Those rats are positioned right at the front of the tunnel. Which leads back into the room. Going into the room gives you plenty of space. If the encounter is run right, you shouldn't be fighting them in the corridor since they occupy its entire width and can't actually get in. There are two...

Yeah that will do it! PF2 offers a whole suite of options and if you jump in without understanding, you’re going to come unstuck very fast. The beauty of all those silos is that you only need to look at a limited number of options at each decision point (as opposed to the massive feat menu of...

For first level? Was this in the beginner box or the CRB? Either way, I’m really confused as to how this is possible as both include a step by step guide on how to do and where in the sheet to fill that information. It is a hand holding process that I think is superior to how it’s explained in...

I find this argument disingenuous. At first level, character creation is not much more time consuming than 5e. ”And at the lowest levels, you can die through no fault of your own”. Just as you can in 5e, 3e and Ad&d. This is not a trait particular to PF2. Now absolutely, you can argue around...

Exactly this. I also agree with the concept of it just being bad luck due to the swinginess of level 1. As mentioned, the Goblins at the beginning of Phandelver are far harsher, especially if the DM is properly applying the cover and concealment mods and the goblins get the opportunity for...