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Likewise, I enjoyed reading this counter response. I too am a teacher and play D&D with my after school group. Whilst I’m not a person of colour (though descended from gypsy from my grandfather before the Nevi Welsh Romanii were forcibly put in council house and part of a minority group being...

With due deference to the mod statement earlier I have taken the night to step back and cool. I shall try to take a better stab at my point without being confrontational or personal. This statement I find interesting. It highlights what I was talking about regarding the new moral panic and view...

And your warped instance that it’s anything other is the culture I’m talking about. It’s the exact same language of control and ignorance the satanic panic used. Cut it out.

It describes “fictional” peoples (specifically creatures that are made manifest from these meta physical aspects). It enforces no culture or attitude and that argument shows a complete disrespect and ignorance of the mythical and literary roots and their context. This is the enforced protection...

Right, I’d agree except I’d expand on that. Because these aren’t real work philosophies, but “objective concepts”. In a 9 point system, lawful changes based on the good to evil axis and how the beings express the lawful concept. To my mind, what I’ve been saying, is LG would express order...

Indeed, and you see that made manifest in sigil with the whole philosophers with clubs. The different factions explore what it means to be these alignments. Which is why I really dig planescape. Alas, there are a few too many clueless here that don’t know the dark of it. So, starting with the...

Right. And how might beings who are inclined to follow the nature of order as a tangible meta physical construct set up and live in a society? Well, they might agree that a society needs some guidelines, to bring structure and order to it. Gosh, if only we had a word for those guidelines...

Not quite, you’re missing the nuance. Remember these are broad descriptors, they are not meant to be pre controlled programming of input -> response. A lawful person might challenge what they perceive as an unjust law. They will generally try to (not must) follow the law to avoid disrepute or...

Note that I said respecting the (generally just) laws and customs, not “must follow”. It’s not a blind imperative. There’s no contradiction, stop trying it.

A bad faith reading of implication. They are not "rebels without a cause". Chaotic good for example acts more based on conscience rather than prescriptive law. Generally a good person, but if they want to smoke a joint and the law says it's illegal, so what? Chaotic Neutral is probably closer...

But it’s not meaningless as that’s what lawful is. It’s respecting the (generally just) laws and customs of a society, whatever that may be. For example, a lawful person in America, provided they abide by the right laws and codes can carry a gun. If they fly over to the UK, they cannot. There...

No. That’s not what chaotic means. It’s not “lol, I’m so randumb. That’s a purposeful misreading of chaos as it’s already been explained above.

So then it’d be the good and evil descriptor tagged to the lawful descriptor that would offer more insight there. Lawful good is someone that values society and structure provided its fair and just. The laws are there to be followed for a reason, for a good society of fairness. Lawful neutral...

Depends if you’re using nine or three point alignment....

I think you are misunderstanding my intent here, if I was not clear, I apologise. I am in full agreement with almost everything you say here. I agree with you in the need and want for in diversity of shared stories. My condemnation was for the critiques that actually shut this down with a...

Seems it is the season for yet another round of online alignment debates. They fall every few years before a detente is reached yet soon, the stars herald another comet of debate hammering into the forums. This season feels slightly different, wrapped up in larger issues, the current moral...

I mean certainly, there’s an argument to be made about what editions of a game “should” mean, and what d&d “should” be. But it’s not this thread and I don’t want to disrespect the OP with a massive derailing can of worms such as that. As to your thoughts on a 6E, based on developments to 5e and...

I like alignment, I enjoy using alignment in older editions where it serves some purpose. It epitomises my personal problems with 5e as d&d. In my opinion, too much content is in there as lip service to tradition without actually serving a purpose. And we wonder why debates exist around the...

Yeah, that’s fair, not every edition is for everyone. Im a bit harsher with my group in that I’ll only run what I want to play. They are free not to play or step up and DM themselves. As a whole, they’ve been pretty cool, I’ve lost a few players that couldn’t let go of 5e, but picked up a few...

Why did the feel their abilities were lacking? You’ve always advocated well around the principles of old school improv over prescribed abilities. We’re your group not able to get into that mindset? EDIT, nvm, you answered whilst I was posting. 😂