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Ohh. What didn’t work out OSE wise for your group?!

That’s cool. Totally understandable. I’ve found though if you cut all the optional rules from the 2e phb, it pretty much runs like a souped up B/X. I started getting into the OSR scene when wotc did the premium reprints (pathfinder 1e was my introduction to the hobby). I got the 1e prints...

Oo, I’d be really interested in your POV as to why you think that. I came to the OSR from later editions and found 2e easier to grock than 1e personally. For me, it was the clearer layout and organisation of core plus an initiative system I could understand. Of course, it does start bogging...

Given your experience last time, I’d suggest two things: 1) Really emphasise to your group they can do more than just move and attack, an action spent demoralising an opponent, or moving into position to give a team mate a bonus on their attack is not a wasted action. 2) Depending on your...

Ive never been uncharitable to any sensitivity readers. I suppose on reflection actually, that for a given modern audience, it might be worth contextualising the slavery. Obviously, given recent events over the past few years and the relatively recent historical baggage of black slavery...

I’ve not set boundaries on anything, merely described what the setting presents. It’s demonstrated nothing. An interesting hyperbolic take on my take (and again seems very much tied to my analogy above). Like, what exactly would you want here from this hypothetical side bar? A warm up to the...

Right, and that’s the problem. It’s not “D&D”, it’s Ravenloft D&D. You’re absolutely right that creating anything scary is difficult when the PCs are so powerful, which is what the book should’ve been about. In the older editions, those monsters were a damn sight scarier with your characters...

Point taken, but Lancelot was an addition to the more widely known 12th century take, not the original early medieaval era myth. Which, in its own right, may stand as a counter point to which I am making, but it’s more of a reboot, a Kelvin timeline Star Trek And were I alive then and educated...

For necessary, read advocating as ok, indifferent, whatever. In respectful reference to your posts about the originals still being available and mgibsons parodies of Lancelot. (I’m not interested in the semantics to bog the discussion down, the original point stands as regards to the...

Again, which I get. But read through the thread and you see counter points arguing that changes in the setting for new fans isn’t inherently changing things of the setting. This is what my analogy was arguing against. And you know, inevitably, there will be players whining on online discourse as...

It unfortunately has in my opinion (I can appreciate that other people may like the new book, not for me). It’s no longer a dark realm of Gothic Horror tropes to scare your players, it’s a scooby doo theme park. The Egyptian mummy realm now just a random fantasy desert, the change to “victra”...

I appreciate it’s a thought experiment, I get that. But the analogy is pointing out essentially the problem with this and when other people’s points in this when people are saying that changes are necessary or that some tweaks don’t change the setting. were people to agree with those aspects...

Literally the OP... I appreciate it’s a thought experiment, I get that. But the analogy is pointing out essentially the problem with this and when other people’s points in this when people are saying that changes are necessary or that some tweaks don’t change the setting. were people to agree...

You’re right, requesting the addition of races in the setting I’ve described, the inclusion of classes that have no basis to exist, removing the facet of slavery (highlighted as an evil to be abolished, providing much of the central conflict motivation), changing the existing city states and...

Except that’s not really equivalent, as that’s an addition to a story, not a fundamental shift in the setting of the story. They didn’t just suddenly change the setting to, I dunno, Japan and make Mordred an upstart daimyo, replacing the lady of the lake with something from Japanese folklore...

Oh god, no to all of this. I’d rather they leave it alone than do any of this. If they are going to touch it, just update the rules and add some things to make survival an actual thing in 5e (ie, you can’t just rely on Goodberry all day).

Omg thank you!! Bang on what I was saying in the other thread!

If you’ve played 3-5e, your character has not been on a zero to hero arc (at least in the way a more old school game frames it). You have a lot more going for the “power level” of a character compared to the older games. It’s more akin to hero to super hero from an osr perspective. This isn’t to...

Of course. I’m in agreement. I’m just trying to link the concept back to the original premise of the thread, ie, can we create space for OSR games to appeal to new players :)

Yup, that’s what I was suggesting before. It’s a space with two parts, a more staid, traditional back to basics view and then this really out there creative side that adds pushing all kinds of crazy elements. I mean, perhaps that could be the pitch to newer players? “Products to take your...