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I think that's where the confusion lies. You agree that there should be some back-and-forth and discussion to determine what is appropriate and to try to make what might seem at first blush to be inappropriate. When it's determined that something just can't be made to fit after this work, that's...

Since it sounds like everyone is talking past each other now, how about this: Is it appropriate for a player to expect a DM/GM to help him to fit a character into the world, with the understanding that some degree of compromise to make that fit happen will be necessary?

You might have missed part of what I suggest when I say that players and the DM/GM should work together. One of the complaints I've seen leveled often (and often in this thread) is that DMs/GMs do all the work, so their opinion just plain counts more than everyone else. I agree, to an extent...

Sure, you can walk away if you really want to. But isn't it better to talk about it? If you don't like Dragonborn, for instance, try talking with the players. What if it's the culture of nomadic, noble warriors that really attracts the player and it's the imagery of "dragon people" that turns...

Last time I'm going to try to post in this thread, as other than a few folks, a "middle of the road" suggestion seems to go ignored by many posters. It's not about DM Entitlement. It's not about Player Entitlement. Anyone, player or DM, who wants to ignore the concerns and tastes and the fun...

It's not about players running rough-shod over everything else. It's not about the DM always getting his way. It's about working together and accepting that, guess what? Players can provide really great ideas that could make the game so much better if the DM asked for that sort of assistance and...

After a little bit of a database snafu, d20 Advanced is available once again.

I'm seriously perplexed. I keep reading that "the DM does all the work and the players just show up, so the DM should get his way". "It's so hard being the DM, so the players should cut him some slack and let him be the boss." "If the players don't like it, tough. They're not doing any work."...

... or he can just ask if one of the players could give him a hand in the kitchen.

The position of DM/GM is bound by a social contract of sorts. When you're running the game, it's your show, but only by the players' whim. If you want to run a game, and everything about the way you run it rubs your players the wrong way, you will not run a good game, no matter how much you love...

There's also the radical possibility that some gamers might like both games. Sort of like how I'm excited about Pathfinder, pleased with 4e, enjoying Mutants & Masterminds and True20, and only wishing he had the time and the groups to play them all. There could be people out there like that...

Oh, I'd love some feedback. Thanks!

I've been working on-and-off for the past few years on a game called d20 Advanced Adventure Roleplaying Game, and at long last, it's ready for prime-time. Way back in the day, I had intended for it to be nothing more than a tweak for a D&D game with an alternate magic system, but as I started...

Thank you for the reply, GMSkarka. I've been interested in this sort of approach for awhile, but I keep worrying about "spreading the love", so to speak, so that all of the ability scores are "equally targeted". The d20 three-save system is actually pretty good about this, where all three saves...

What sort of saves do you foresee being tied to abilities like Strength and Intelligence, or are you going to follow the 4e model for allowing different attributes to affect a single save? If you aren't going this route, I'd be curious to hear what steps is the Odyssey system taking to balance...

I'm quite unhappy with the GSL, but that doesn't change my opinion of the quality of 4e otherwise. WotC continues to put out very good game products, which they've been doing pretty regularly over the past decade. However, I'm unhappy with the way WotC is using the GSL, and I don't think it'll...

GMSkarka, any updates on a release date?

Not sure if you mean d20 as "for 3rd Edition D&D", but Green Ronin's Mutants & Masterminds is a classless, point-buy game using the core of the d20 system.

Morrus, is this challenge for bulking up only for D&D-compatible material, or d20 material in general, or open gaming material in general?

All you need is the core book. However, I find the Ultimate Power expansion to be the single best RPG rules supplement I've ever had the pleasure of owning. It essentially expands the Powers chapter of the core rules, breaks the powers down to their essential elements, and explains how to build...