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Just to prove a counterpoint, Starfox has been running our Saturday group through some really, really early Dungeon scenarios, who were all about social intrigue and quirky situations, and not at all about winning at combat... real fun!

I so hope they do, and don't chicken out on it.

Re: Having to optimizing for combat. Warning, anecdotal: In one of Starfox campaigns we've been playing "Skull and Shackles" on three - Bard, Barbarian and Sorcerer (just recruited a Ranger as a fourth PC). We're currently at 9th level (Pathfinder), and if I've understood our DM right we've...

Really had to dig down deep among my old sketches to find and upload the one Starfox mentions above. Note that it is NSFW, though! http://fav.me/d76jppi (DeviantArt, under maturity filter), or http://playfay.com/gallery3/index.php/Doodles/Mirror-Image-sketch-100dpi (my private server).

If that is a "really old reference" then... *ouch!*

Well, one can always do as we are right now trying to do in your campaign, Starfox; ransom the dragon's hoard back to him for his cooperation in our future endeavours... ;)

Yep, limiting magic items is handing a monopoly to the wizard (see my signature!). And I agree on the +X sword being boring for the player - especially as the DM can compensate immediately by just stocking his encounters with slightly higher AC monsters. In fact, the effect of the plus-items...

"Revenge of the Weasel Queen"? ( http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20070827 )

3.5 SRD: "A rogue cannot sneak attack while striking a creature with concealment" "In an area of shadowy illumination, a character can see dimly. Creatures within this area have concealment relative to that character. A creature in an area of shadowy illumination can make a Hide check to...

10) A wizard tries to recreate a long-lost love after resurrecting her has failed. Accidentaly he turns everybody within a five mile radius, man or monster, into a clone of her.

Sorry, no dark alleys; If I recall correctly, you cannot sneak attack in dim light... ;)

In the same way, one has to realize that both SoD and Combat Maneuvers are deliberate means to bypass the HP system.

You can see how much HP breaks down in how many other mechanisms there are that subverts the HP mechanism. Whenever you have "this game mechanism ought to take effect immediately", you have to add a special rule that bypasses HP. On the top of my head, you have: * SoS/SoD * Ability Damage *...

For me, I've always had easy to see a bard's Perform Dance as eminently combinable with agile, fast, furious, acrobatic, showy combat moves. Think Martial Art Katas, Dervishes, Sabre Dancers (hearing Khachaturian in my head as I write this), or Elven Wardancers from Warhammer. As I wrote...

Back when I first played 1E, we had about a dozen PCs, not counting henchmen,allies, etc. A full assault-style attack on a enemy stronghold or evil temple could easily run into the triple-digit range of combat rounds - and it could still be played in a single 8-12h session. That speed of play...

"Action" (http://hastur.net/wiki/Action), Starfox' homebrew which I love playing in, has a different angle. All skills, including the two fighting skills "Melee" and "Shoot", have both an information-gathering and a social aspect. An example from actual play in a science...

Starfox: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Richard_Montgomery Quote from the article: According to a BBC news report in 1970, it was determined that if the wreck of Richard Montgomery exploded, it would throw a 1,000-foot-wide (300 m) column of water and debris nearly 10,000 feet (3,000 m) into...

Favourite: Love the bard, especially the Pathfinder Bard, and even more the monk-ish bard archetype my DM has written: http://hastur.net/wiki/Mystic_Dancer_(Apath). Pathfinder's archetypes are really a wonderful way of tweaking and adapting classes. I love to have some magic and a lot if...

8) a carneval appears, travelling in from another dimension, full with things weird and wonderful. However, The trickster god in charge of it is intent on adding what is weird and wonderful at *this* place to his collection...

Liked how they in the "Farscape" TV series made humans, in the shape of the "Peacekeeper" race, the bad guys of its setting. Turned things quite nicely on its head. Unfortunately they chickened out and made the Peacekeepers first not quite human, and then not quite the baddest guys...