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And here are some notes for the careers, also vague and unfinished. MARTIAL ARTIST Key Attribute: Strength Trained Skills: Defense Bonus: +1 to Reflexes Special Ability: Ki Strike: +1d10 damage on one attack once per encounter. Improved: one additional time per encounter each additional time...

Here are my notes on the Core classes, incomplete but maybe it will give you an idea where I am going and what I should change or modify. The vague power descriptions in order of Basic, Utility, and Expert. CORE STRONG Key Attribute: Strength Hit Points: 15 + Constitution at 1st level, 6 at...

I actually am the creator of the other thread you mentioned and I am working on something similar. I am using Gamma World as my inspiration too, because I like the simpler format and I agree that it would work better for a modern system using 4E. I am working off a 20 level format and am using...

Ok, here is the first thing from what I have been working on. This is the first draft of the advancement table for characters. I have an explanation for all the listed abilities and options. Basically each Core class determines things like your starting HP, number of healing surges, bonuses to...

I'm not sure if I missed this somewhere, but are you playing an Essentials rogue? That's what I played in our last campaign, and the damage output was pretty high. But as mentioned before, that is the whole point of the rogue. And their at-wills are designed to put you in position to have Combat...

Right. But those alternate forms are for the phantom Splatbooks of this project... :^) I actually had some more ideas today for some non-combat powers. I have this running list of ideas and suggestions from everyone and things that pop out of my own brain. When I get things a bit more cohesive...

Maybe that is where my snag is in developing the powers. Maybe I need to stop thinking of them in the standard way for the non-combat classes and start giving them more in line of Utility powers. Going a previous suggestion from DeadSmurf I think, I am following more of the format of Gamma World...

Actually I am not having too much trouble with 20 levels, only because it is pretty easy to find powers from different existing sources to crib things from. But it would be easy enough to just use 10 levels with the format I am trying. I like the idea about the slower level progression too. I...

Agreed on both counts. But tell me more of how you see the Knowledge as working. I wouldn't want to have something that would only have limited utility, but I agree that it would allow a lot more individuality for characters. That is what I am working on with the Careers in this little project...

Yeah, I agree that the generalized skill system works best for some genres. It really depends on what flavor you are going for. Personally I prefer the more cinematic feel of the generalized skills, in which your Scientist just has Science (or Science! if you are a fan of GURPS) where he or she...

I was also thinking that for something like a sci-fi thing, races could replace the attribute-based Core classes. And what other skills do you think needed to be added or modified for a Modern system? I was thinking that something like Conspiracy from GW could act as the default Arcana/Religion...

Interesting idea and I like how you formatted that power, but do you think that would get too complicated? If you were going to use a format like that, maybe it would be better to go for something more akin to Gamma World with a simpler structure while using the role-based powers to add some...

I'm reading through the lite version of E20 now. It does look interesting. Has anyone tried it out to see how it plays?

That was one of the systems that made me want to do something different. Interesting idea, but it had some mechanics issues in the execution. From what I've seen about their next system it seems to have improved, but I wanted to go back to some of the things that made the original d20 Modern...

Sorry, meant to get back to you... 4E is more restrictive than 3E was, so a pure conversion to 4E will unfortunately have that problem. 4E is designed to keep you in your role through your entire career. I am sure there would be a way to tweak 4E to add a bit more fluidity than it currently...

Some more thoughts I had while at dinner with the in-laws: -I was thinking the attribute class could determine things like hit points, number of skills, and saving throw bonuses, while the career would add special basic abilities, skill list, etc. -Careers could be the place to get utility...

I think you do it similar to a standard mark. Maybe something where you have a ranged mark, and have an encounter power or even an at-will stance that lets you attack that target if they make an attack against any ally or if they move from cover. I know a lot of people aren't too keen on how...

I actually did look at Gamma World as an inspiration, and I do like the idea of taking the mutations idea and converting it to something more in line with Modern, but I think it would be better to use the careers as the basis because just using the attributes would really limit the options. Plus...

I know there was talk of this back when 4E was released, but aside from independent projects like Ultramodern4 I haven't really heard anything official for a while. So after looking through Essentials, I had some ideas for a 4E modern that is based on the old d20 version. So my friend and I were...