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  1. Rocker26a

    D&D (2024) 2024 Player's Handbook reveal: "New Ranger"

    That is correct, but it only means as much as you think it means. The playtest Ranger had features at those levels, so does this one. They don't become good just because historically they haven't been occupied. And anyway, it's not unheard of for classes to get buffs at those levels. 5E Bard's...
  2. Rocker26a

    D&D (2024) 2024 Player's Handbook reveal: "New Ranger"

    Don't be obtuse, I'm advocating for something better than those features. I agree with WOTC's assessment, that if Hunter's Mark is to be Ranger's main thing (much as I disagree with that in and of itself but fine), it needs buffs. Unlike Paladin and Divine Smite. These buffs are bad and/or come...
  3. Rocker26a

    D&D (2024) 2024 Player's Handbook reveal: "New Ranger"

    I wasn't advocating for infinite uses, only noting that they are definitely finite. Short rest refresh would help, but I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't offer that. I mean it depends. You might situationally prefer Zephyr Strike (since you are forced to choose vanilla), Pass Without...
  4. Rocker26a

    D&D (2024) 2024 Player's Handbook reveal: "New Ranger"

    Only twice per long rest at the baseline. Given that it's the method for obtaining additional damage that your class is based around, you will probably want to cast it more than your free casts allow for. We don't know for sure about how it's changed until they reveal the spells, but Ranger's...
  5. Rocker26a

    D&D (2024) 2024 Player's Handbook reveal: "New Ranger"

    That's what I was driving at, yeah. I am actually compelled by Ranger being a thematic and mechanical parallel to Paladin, I've said it in previous discussions, but. The scales remain tipped in Paladin's favour, even with this nerf Divine Smite got.
  6. Rocker26a

    D&D (2024) 2024 Player's Handbook reveal: "New Ranger"

    That is kind of true, but please point out the Paladin's base class features that hinge off of the Divine Smite ability/spell. Either in 5E, or this one. That's what bugs me (in part).
  7. Rocker26a

    D&D (2024) 2024 Player's Handbook reveal: "New Ranger"

    Yeah, that could be fair. Honestly I think just the "you get your first extra attack whatever the ratio" bit is nice enough without covering the additional ones Fighter gets, those 1 - 5 levels are the kinda make or break levels. Something to make multiclassing a bit less of a knee-cap in the...
  8. Rocker26a

    D&D (2024) 2024 Player's Handbook reveal: "New Ranger"

    May nag consult my DM about implementing that houserule. We're actually about to do an event thing where our characters play out an event in their past at an appropriate level, and I was trying to figure out a split that'd leave me with Extra Attack (which I did not have at that actual level) to...
  9. Rocker26a

    D&D (2024) 2024 Player's Handbook reveal: "New Ranger"

    I kinda don't hate that as a houserule. I know it's the bargain you sign up for when you choose to multiclass, but. Can still be frustrating to be stalling out like that so near the start of a game.
  10. Rocker26a

    D&D (2024) 2024 Player's Handbook reveal: "New Ranger"

    Repeating myself, but, that is something a previous rendition of the Ranger offered, and it wasn't a spell. And that wasn't even all the feature did! Granted the other half hinges around Favoured Enemy, which is it's own can of worms, but. If you ignore that bit, it's not bad!
  11. Rocker26a

    D&D (2024) 2024 Player's Handbook reveal: "New Ranger"

    The very first version of Favoured Foe they offered in the Class Feature Variants Unearthed Arcana. They changed it radically by the time Tasha's released, and I don't really get what their problem with the UA version was.
  12. Rocker26a

    D&D (2024) 2024 Player's Handbook reveal: "New Ranger"

    It's interesting because, the initial incarnation of Favoured Foe was exactly that. Some free casts and when you get spellcasting next level, it doesn't count against your spells known. Assuming you don't mind Rangers hinging their combat prowess off of Hunter's Mark (which they clearly don't)...
  13. Rocker26a

    D&D (2024) 2024 Player's Handbook reveal: "New Ranger"

    I mean, I was personally willing to complain about both. As with some previous renditions of Ranger, I think their sense of what's a reasonable level to get some things (particularly when that's all you get at a given level) is still just really off. Even putting aside that it's all to do with...
  14. Rocker26a

    D&D (2024) 2024 Player's Handbook reveal: "New Ranger"

    It is dumber, because you choose to take Feats. Not to mention they come a bit later in the levelling table. If learning additional languages is direly important for some reason, you can account for that in your roleplay if you take the feat, or ask your DM to learn them on your down-time, or...
  15. Rocker26a

    D&D (2024) 2024 Player's Handbook reveal: "New Ranger"

    Bit of an over-simplification. Your DM ever sent you to a country where they all speak Thieves Cant? (Moderately interesting a notion as it may be.)
  16. Rocker26a

    D&D (2024) 2024 Player's Handbook reveal: "New Ranger"

    I don't really think of either of them at all, but I especially don't really think of either of them as true languages. They're more like secret codes.
  17. Rocker26a

    D&D (2024) 2024 Player's Handbook reveal: "New Ranger"

    And, again, I'd argue it's a reach. A reach for any class to get languages from their base levelling table, though Ranger getting them is especially weird. I'd put Wizard above that, then probably Bard, if anyone. I would not be content having things like languages dictated by class choice. It's...
  18. Rocker26a

    D&D (2024) 2024 Player's Handbook reveal: "New Ranger"

    I don't know about supposed to, but I would (and did) argue that just giving them the standard Expertise treatment, two at an earlier level, two at a later level, makes the most sense. A Ranger is/ought to be the ultimate traveler. They are not, however, a holiday maker. They don't roam the...
  19. Rocker26a

    D&D (2024) 2024 Player's Handbook reveal: "New Ranger"

    It's probably not gonna happen! I'll probably stay on 5E and just pinch what's useful from 2024. (Not solely because I find 2024 Ranger inadequate mind, but y'know, certainly doesn't help)
  20. Rocker26a

    D&D (2024) 2024 Player's Handbook reveal: "New Ranger"

    You're offering all these provisos that aren't what I want, when they literally already offered what I want in a previous rendition! You're not gonna sell me on the spell format when precisely what I'm after is there, and there's no need to try either!
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