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You are right, I had forgotten that Fate was derived from Fudge. Though actually the Fudge OGL is the d20 OGL, so its not similar so much as identical.

Why does FATE "have to be open?" The only requirement that Savage World has for producers is that their goods be of suitable quality; if you can afford to do a nice book, Savage Worlds is, for all practical purposes, open. And while your point is taken, I would mention that your list of the...

Savage Worlds is a free permission-granted sort of license, where you have to ask them before you use it to sell product. They also grant fans the right to publish things at will so long as there is nothing being sold. World of Darkness has always been closed. AGE as far as I know is also...

There is no sure fired way to prevent people from producing inferior products and trying to foist them off on others. Especially, as is often the case, when the ones producing the inferior products are actually quite enamored of their own work. It is what it is and has very little to do with the...

Well, as I don't currently have any immediate plans on writing for 5e, I think I can genuinely say that profit is indeed not my immediate reason for wanting a 5e OGL, and I am representative of myself. I think it would be good for the hobby, good for the game, and good for the longevity of 5e...

Clarity and exactness does help with internet conversations. Though as Mark has already said that he's not doing 5e material, I think your point is moot. (And again, the "anything" must be understood as hyperbole, as there are some things being produced and sold by 3pp for 5e and thus...

"In it for the money," and "making money" are not the same things. Very few people are in RPG production "for the money," though they may indeed have a dream of "making money" doing what they love. I admit making a little on the side doing rpg writing is a nice perk for spending time in my...

I guess you did say, "sell," rather than, "produce," but that seems like a rather nit-picky sorta distinction to me. :hmm:

I apologize for misconstruing your meaning and that it was not obvious to me. But even so, the claim that there are no 3pp producing anything for 5e is not factually correct on its own merits. I will assume therefore you were using hyperbole and let it drop.

Yes, but Legendary Games, who I cited, is a 3pp. And I consider anyone publishing Pathfinder material to be publishing D&D, but thats a matter of semantics and world-view. But, what I was responding to was the claim that 3pp were not publishing anything because there was no OGL for 5e. That's...

You are of course assuming that 5e has hurt the 3pp publishers, which I am not sure is actually the case. Certainly its not the case that 3pp are not selling anything. Pathfinder is still doing well enough, and I noticed at BAM yesterday that not only is there still more Pathfinder material...

I know that Hasbro has discontinued producing certain licensed products such as Cabbage Patch Kids and Pokemon; but have they ever actually sold IP to another company? I suppose there could always be a first time.

But that was not the point being made nor commented on. Anywho, the idea that WotC's product would get lost in an OGL flood of products is rather silly and history and consumer practices alike show it to be nonsense.

Your theory would have more credence if WotC was releasing more material. But their production is slow enough I don't think it would make much difference.

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I have been operating under the assumption that English is your primary language. If it is not I apologize. "Moving Goalposts" is a term used in arguments for one side shifting positions so that the refutations of the other side are never applicable. It has nothing to do with scoring points...

There's actually only about three companies that might have the organization in place to pick it up. My early money would actually be on Green Ronin as the most likely, because 1) they already have the right connections designer-wise (Owen Stevens works for both companies), 2) they have the...

Probably because that's not what happened, despite assertions to the contrary. And it ignores the new material Paizo has produced for the OGL. You are also moving goalposts.

Eh, the horses are already out of the barn. Pathfinder, as a system, has a fan-base all its own. There's a market for the game itself of itself that should not be entirely discounted. Likewise the APs are good reading material and while the subscriber list might need rebuilt, I suspect some of...

Still wading through all these posts to catch up on my reading so someone else may have already pointed this out... but even if Paizo did sell, that would not be the end of Pathfinder. It is OGL. All of it. They have released every single book under the license, and while the world of Golarion...