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Olaf, What I was meaning by a gateway is this, many rpger's in my opinion become fascinated by mythology and the monsters and characters in mythology, and so look into it more deeply. Some become fascinated with rules and math, and so delve more deeply into those aspects. Some by specific...

I like all the comments, To quote tolkien "what is wrong with escapism, if a man is in a prison, of course he thinks of what is outside, if a man is in a dreary life, of course he dreams of something else" That is just paraphrasing, but you get the point. Special thanks to the mods for not...

lol, I don't know if I would go that far, but it certainly shows that not everyone feels the same way about RPG's John

really, for most of my life I was ok hiding that I was a gamer, I was fine with people not knowing. People knowing brings questions, and at that point in my life, questions scared me, what if I am wrong, what if what if. Anyway, in the past week or so I was exposed to the "dark dungeon"...

Halivar, I think he is upset, and trying to act more upset so the thread gets nuked. I am pretty sure that is what he is getting at. John

Bento, The rest of us were getting along fine without flaming eachother, or offending eachother. Please do not do anything to get this thread nuked just because you do not like it. John p.s. if there are admins out there who are thinking about nuking this thread, please let us know how we...

I am not trying to justify my every action. I explained my reasoning before, and I think it is fine. If you want to judge me on that, that is your problem John

It is ok Harmon, I found myself venturing a bit too close to the religious side of things. I guess I wonder, how do you convince someone, regardless of what they believe, using logic and examples that it is not evil. So far it seems the give them the book thing is winning out. I also wanted...

Just a thought, but maybe the "good" side of society is as misunderstood as gamers are. I mean, they get stats used against them as much as anyone does. One example would be that Catholic priest have a lower child molestation percentage than almost any other group. Granted it should be none...

why would the thread be closed werk? It isnt discussing politics or religion, and Morrus' Grandma is more than welcome John

Bento, I was looking for advice, I didn't say you need to explain it for me. I never think it is a waste of time to ask other people's advice. The reason I ask is that some of you do not share my values, just like some of the people who I will talk to do not share my values. I do not need...

I am an adult and am happily married to someone who doesnt mind my hobby even if she doesn't understand it. The reason I really asked is because my little brothers are starting to get interested in playing, but are in middle or grade school (depending on which brother) and so may not be able to...

sorry tombshroud, it was much more directed at bento, not you It seems alot of people see conservatives as brainless, so I am used to it. I hope this might "open peoples minds" :) Also, look at my sig, both quotes are from extremely religious and conservative (imho) men. I didn't realize my...

I am pretty sure there was a "gorgon" like golem in mythology on minos in crete. The king sculpted a metal bull and injected it with blood to give it life. I am not sure where I got this from, But I remember reading it somewhere, perhaps in a book on the minoan civilization. I even think it...

Just so you know, I am one of those religious conservatives in kansas, I just think that there are things that are objectively evil, and things that are not. In my opinion, D&D can teach you about yourself, so it is useful John

if you really want to hear it, my rents had someone in the apartment above them who played using "real" artifacts, and trying to cast "real" spells right when they were married. Making it very difficult for them to justify it. I basically think if people can understand it they will be more...

OK, Here is the deal, I don't want this thread to break down on religious views, but how do you convince people that D&D is not evil. I have numerous friends and family who either completely do not understand rpg's or are convinced they are evil. I have hidden my hobby for years, but I want...

just a question, but have you tried sleeping in the room, I mean, the quote refers directly to sleep twice, and to falling only once, so maybe the dm wants to send you something in a dream, that would assist you in figuring out the puzzle, I would try sleeping to "prove you are not evil" because...

I am not in favor of players summoning other things to fight for them or anything like that. I did not mean for d&D to be more like the mtg game. I mean having normal wizards, rogues, paladins etc, fighting through the mtg storylines. They could be part of the guilds or fighting against...

crothian, I think I might agree with you, sometimes our minds can fill in the blanks more easily than if they are filled. I was actually thinking that the style guides that make all the magic cards coherent with eachother might have more to do with it than anything. Let me know John