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Well, it's a bit academic us arguing about it really, as it is really the business of the group, who know all the circumstances ... and accordingly the following comments are not meant to be disrespectful to the players involved, I know I don't know the full story ... but hypothetically, based...

On what we've heard so far, it still sounds to me like the plot twist was reasonable. The diplomacy/bluff thing doesn't matter if the gnomes they discussed the plans with weren't the ones who left them behind. IMO this artefact being pretty much a priceless thing to both sides, just because the...

FWIW, to me (as a player) this sounds reasonable, realistic and a great story. Sure it'll hurt. But it does sound like the players had plenty of opportunity to realise that the gnome/dwarf faction had different goals to themselves and were split about how to deal with the party, with some...

I voted Shadowrun - such a cool setting setup, for a change of pace from all my d20 stuff - but if I'd remembered Feng Shui it would have been a toss up. There is a game I'd love to try.

Add another vote for Midnight. This is perhaps the most coherent and flavourful setting I've read, and I'd love to play in it. It's well supported too. It is definitely very dark and depressing though. Some of my friends played a short game in it and it petered out because the mood was too...

Is that right, Craque? As I feared. I've been pretty disappointed in the 'Complete' books so far. Buying new 3.5 rulebooks wasn't too bad, but splatbooks that have out of context/genericized reprints of stuff I already own, and not much else, are really starting to grate. Especially as a OA fan...

Well, I think it is because, as now used, the term 'D&D' is equivalent to 'Ford' and NOT to 'Model-T'. It is not a term which refers to a unique item, really. Well, to most people I think. But then my POV basically agrees with nakia and Joshua who are explaining it much better than I could...

Well ... * The creators of the later versions called them D&D, which they were entitled to do. Widespread usage of this name has associated it with the later versions as well as the first. The meaning of the term 'D&D' is now not restricted to the original white box (or whatever colour it...

Well it's just a personal preference, but myself, I don't like to play casters because I can't really relate to D&D magic. It's definitely not a lack of dedication to the campaign! But the power level and lack of a coherent theme trouble me. I know you can create a style for yourself, but there...

I do not know whether there is any actual data to indicate whether 'gamist' play is more common with current editions of D&D than before. People obviously have different opinons based on their personal experience. Myself, I never played D&D before 3.0. We looked at 2nd ed a few times, but...

Why does it have to be one thing? I don't believe that there can only be one true D&D. If we were talking about a 'work of art', then personally I think if it was changed it would be a new work of art. (That doesn't mean better or worse.) People who've studied art theory might correct me on...

Sure most experienced DMs might not be interested, but as someone considering trying that role I think I'll probably get it. Just because it's called the DMGII doesn't make it essential - after all you don't need MMII or III do you? - so just ignore it if you don't like it. Myself, I kind of...

This is a great idea. I would definitely buy it, small or large. As to what I'd like to see in such a book, well my wish list would be * An introduction to phonetics, grammar, syntax etc - linguistics textbooks are pretty hard going when there are so many other topics in the world to cover, so...

The donation was to help, not just to get a prize, but I was wondering - If we did happen to be lucky and win something, could we maybe pay for our own shipping, if we wanted to? I am down under too, and wouldn't want to burden EN World, but there is something special about hard copy.

Gee, I don't look at ENWorld for a day and look at what I nearly missed! I missed the drive last year so I'm extra happy to donate this time. $50 from me via Paypal. Great to see the ENWorlders rally around - and the prize doners too, wow. Bring on the speed!

Mark - Thanks. Sorry to overreact. Gez - That's beautiful! Cheers Malic

Hi there! It's probably not a good idea to butt in here. But honestly, guys, I don't think he was in any way claiming to have invented the game or to somehow fraudulently impersonate as an employee of WOTC to bask in the prestige. Even if this was in some context where that would make any sense...

Does anyone else think there is a big difference between 'not evil' and 'ok'? I don't see anyone saying that theft doesn't cause harm. Theft is not ok by a long shot. It's bad, it's wrong, it deserves to be punished appropriately. But to me it is not 'evil' except in special circumstances -...

You know, I wouldn't be surprised if once the 'fantasy fashion' changes, young people will be more likely to stick with the game if they see how flexible it is to play with different themes and moods which might interest them then, rather than if it represents only the 'best' in classical...

Wow, what a great thread! Thanks Lord Pendragon and all who have contributed, many very good and thought provoking points have been raised. Although there are clearly several valid interpretations, after considering this thread I have come down on the side of 'Chaotic'. I agree with Lord...