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But there is a big difference between giving you something as an optional feature (your character is still complete if you don't take this option), and making you play an incomplete character just because Gygax wanted to bully players.

Again, what's the point of creating a class feature you're supposed to not know about?

I would say that this is an example of why should one segregate lore from game mechanics.

I need time to get accustomed to the new blue dragon design...

So, his fix for power gamers was to ask the DM to hide class features and expect the players to divine them somehow or play an incomplete character unless they develop psychic powers or stole the DM's books? Great advice (sarcasm)

What was the point of this rule? And people say I'm wrong when I say TSR encourage that "DM vs players" thing...

How I just learned about these Nentir Vale campaigns just today? 😔😔 I'm itching to play in the Nentir Vale for years now, and play by post is excellent to bypass my horrible spoken/listened English. I think I will have to await for a new campaign to start...

It is, though? Last time I read my books, the evil gods reward those who serve them. The punishment and eternal torment is for those who failed them. But, no, it isn't a good thing to kill someone using as excuse that you're offering they "salvation". That kind of backward philosophy is what...

That's Evil in my book. But, well, we are talking about Gygax. For him, genociding is an LG act because... What was what he said? Ah, yes, "nits makes lice".

On their own time, with their own process. By the time they achieve Nirvana, we current humans would have been there for a whole Mahakalpa. Good, when it falls from its own standards, is not Good anymore. That's the point I arguing about: for Muscular Neutrality to work, we need to transform...

That they aren't purposefully ending all life. They aren't going to destroy all animals (life) or plants (also life), when they go. Nor they are about forcing those that don't want to go to go with them. If life ends, that's the natural cycle of things, not because the forces of good actively...

Another of the established priors is that good needs to be actually good.

A double post brought to you by the Gym Bro Neutrals Gym.

But Nirvana is not about to destroy the World. Is about leaving it behind, and you don't need to destroy it to leave to a better place. Again, that's just twisting how things actually are into things that they aren't, just to make the gym bro neutrals a valid point.

The issue is when the Circle go and helps demons destroy a village so that devils can't win the Blood War, or the forces of Good can't cripple the Blood War in any significant way (as is implied that they do, according to 5e lore).

If Neutrals can't be champions, does that means they are losers?

But that is just one possible direction we have to take to make gymbro neutrality work. And for that we need to change how Good acts (turning it into Actually-not-so-Good), because destroying the universe to avoid suffering it's not a good thing to do. Sure, you should leave the universe to...

I think @Clint_L gave you a better answer than what I was thinking, lol I know some people who genuinely disagree with you about this, Snarf.

Gravity doesn't influence in the moral quandaries of interaction.

And it made sense while it remained that way. When they made it a thing to determine individuals instead of armies, and added a moral attribute to it as well, it began to lose sense.