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I don't use a cell phone while I play usually, but I know some who do. As long as people are paying attention and not causing delays, it doesn't bother me. Many people are quite attentive and can handle multiple things at once. Many use phones as a way to look up spells, skills, or other PDF...

I agree on this part. If the DM had done something like this and the player still sold it, then bad on the player. Big oops. He had his chance. The players frustration at finding out the items being sold seems to show that they did not intend for it to happen that way. Too late now, but...

No, I wasn't one of those players. If I was and had a DM that was deliberately hiding information from me or misinterpreting what the group thought it was doing, I probably would't be playing with that DM. A good DM does something like this: A good DM does NOT do something like this:

But they did have an interest in the item, which is clear by their frustration of trying to have it identified and you telling them that it was sold. If they didn't intend to identify the items, they wouldn't have been upset. They would have sold the armor and gone on to new adventures without...

As for player error and excuses, it sounds just like trolling from you.

Metagaming is when you take the optimal path to being the most powerful. Players should not be forced to have one specific spell or miss out on magic items. Players should not be forced to ask multiple NPC's to determine if an item is magic. 5e made a concentrated effort to help players have...

My view on it is that if the group was leaving town and you mentioned that perhaps they should be more careful, as they sold magical gauntlets and a ring to the blacksmith, it should of been their fault and they should have no beef. This wasn't the case. The players, per the DM's own...

As a group, they decided they weren't happy with the DM's actions. Perhaps the DM should have gotten over it first before multiple people had to.

Tablets and smart phones are everywhere. Just because you don't want to use them doesn't make other people who do wrong. Some people enjoy the nice crisp cleanness of an online program as opposed to a paper character sheet. To each their own. I use pencil and paper myself, but I'm not going...

I didn't realize that not meta-gaming was player error. Not every player is going to have detect magic, and no campaign should be built around having a certain spell be mandatory.

1. Absolutely. It should have been an issue from the beginning and discussed the second it was happening in game. "Hey man, we're playing D&D right now. Do you mind putting down the phone while we play?" 2. The players O.K. with it are also the players that are paying attention to the game...

How do you want them to respond? Player talks to NPC one, asks them to appraise item. NPC: It's worth this much. Player: I don't believe this guy. Player talks to NPC two, asks them to appraise item. NPC: It's worth this much. Player: I don't believe this guy. That kind of distrust doesn't...

Exactly. That's actually what I've been trying to get at , but poorly.

The bottom line for me is that while I think that the DM was punishing players for activities that they did as actual humans by enforcing the punishment on their characters, what is done is done. It's going to look foolish for the DM to go back and say they didn't sell the items after all and...

Not all parties have someone who is capable of casting detect magic. Their choice to go check out the gauntlets and ring (too late apparently in this scenario) indicates that they are going to use the services of someone who can determine its value for them.

Keep in mind that, as mentioned earlier in the thread by someone who had a different opinion than I do, that the person on the phone and the person selling the gear were two different people. Why even mention the two different things if they are not related in some way? This was a major...

It implies that someone not finding that type of activity as fun has a lesser belief. You don't have to say "You're stupid" to get the same thought across. That is essentially what is happening here and why it is viewed as an insult.

Perhaps this should be added to the law: When players are clearly unhappy with the DM's actions, as he so states in the first post, maybe any thread on enworld and empowerment and how much its length increases is irrelevant.

No, it's not. Me saying my character is attacking a goblin is in game activity. Me asking the bar maid if she has heard about the strange cult is in game activity. Me talking about a movie or looking at my phone is not something that my character is doing. It's out of game. In game are the...

The players bundled the items together as a way to get it back into town. That doesn't mean that they intended to sell it all as one piece. Regardless of whether the DM screwed them over or not, it still is not a scenario that the DM should have gotten himself into. Players can be very...