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    D&D General Not Railroad, Not Sandbox ... What else is there?

    I sense we are talking in circles and I do not agree with your assessment. All games have a balance of freedom and structure or the game would be unplayable. The dichotomy, as I have stated before is false. It comes down to a matter of individual subjective judgement and not a “ style” at all...
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    D&D General Not Railroad, Not Sandbox ... What else is there?

    You seem to me, again like others, to be touching on the real underlying issues I am alluding too. “Sand box/ Railroad” is a false dichotomy, neither are the issue because neither exist as many in these discussions seem to believe. The issues are more closely related to how more modern players...
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    D&D General Not Railroad, Not Sandbox ... What else is there?

    The concept you elude to as in “ arms race” has nothing to do with the situation I was writing about, whatsoever. The player was not power gaming or min/ maximg at all.( I have delt with plenty of those and rules lawyering over the decades) The player explained to me that he intended to repay...
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    D&D General Not Railroad, Not Sandbox ... What else is there?

    It is actually one of many issues with” sandbox” play as described, on these threads. I don’t see it as a problem per say, others may enjoy such play. I just fail to see how it is the game of D&D. It may be a game mind you, I am not insinuating that others are not playing the game. Just missing...
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    D&D General Not Railroad, Not Sandbox ... What else is there?

    Let me provide you with an easy to digest example. So let me start by stating I have a first rule to DMing that I share with my players. I will never tell a player “no, you cannot have your character try something. However if you believe what you’re about to try it’s more than likely going to...
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    D&D General Not Railroad, Not Sandbox ... What else is there?

    Because, although a player can desire for and direct their character to do exactly what they want them to. This is not conducive to a game designed around teamwork and group goal completion. Even if one were playing a game with only one player and a DM, it would still not work within the...
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    D&D General Not Railroad, Not Sandbox ... What else is there?

    This! The last thing you have written, points to directly where I am leaning in this conversation👍 This is why the Railroad/ Sandbox dichotomy is sort of a fabricated polarity that doesn’t truest exist. So much of what these Discussions boil down to is the use of terms and lack of precision...
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    D&D General Not Railroad, Not Sandbox ... What else is there?

    There appears to me to be a few different layers of conversation here. I selected the quote above, not to single out the poster, but to use as illustrative, the under current of the issues, I believe, being discussed. I will clearly state now, what follows is “ as I understand it” not a...
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