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I did seriously consider Grim n Gritty, but I ended up modifying it lots and lots to try and get it to do what I wanted, before deciding it would be much easier to implement one additional rule in D&D combat than an entirely new ruleset... At the moment I'm thinking of rapidly levelling them to...

Eh, Keeper class could stretch out to 10 levels, but I haven't gone that far as I don't think my players will... :-) Number of players I hope will be four maximum... I can just about see a group of 4 thieves working as a team, especially if they have varying skills, but five or more thieves...

OK, so maybe increase moss arrows to +4? What whould happen if I used Warriors in place of Fighters...? So now I'm looking at an average Warrior1... CON let's say 14 (+2), d8+2 = hp 10, so a Rogue1 has to do 10hp to KO bu the normal rules... still hard to do on a d6+d6+2 (assuming average...

Re: KO Thanks for the feedback everyone. :-) It's a good idea, but there's still the problem of how a level 1 Rogue is going to do approx. 14 damage (average CON for Fighter1) with a sap... even with a sneak attack and a STR bonus of +2, you still need to roll double 6 to do 14 damage... I...

Ooooh, nice idea... *strokes imaginary beard*

Hello everyone. :-) I'm planning on running a campaign based loosely on the computer game Thief: The Dark Project. Basically, the players will all start out as human rogues (demihumans/monsters are very rare in this setting) and advance a few levels before being recruited by the shadowy...