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We've had a lot of luck with the as-written rules in our current campaign, but given that it's a decade-spanning homebase game with a lot of emphasis on downtime activities (my mercenary fighter is now running the town trading post as her primary point of identity), it's probably pretty atypical.

Moving back to the main point of the thread, does anyone have any further points to make about gender/sexuality in D&D roleplaying games and the impact (or lack thereof) of WotC taking an in-text inclusive stance toward characters who may not fit the conventional pattern for either of those...

Celtavian I've been doing my best to ignore this thread all day, both because the argument you just decided to extend having with me IS derailing to the main topic and because it's my day off. I think you've made very clear what your position is and your biases are, and if you're comfortable...

Ingrained sexism. Next question?

I've replied to this line of derailing once already at some length, so I'll just repeat that I am in fact familiar with the history you're talking about. It doesn't change the fact that European colonialism is uniquely nasty in scope, ugliness and effect, and that there is no good faith argument...

See, on the one hand, you have a point - most of the women I know, put up against an equivalently trained and fit man, would have a hard time of it. On the other hand, the extremely key words in that sentence are equivalently trained. I know one or two women (and know of quite a few more) who...

So, here's the thing: I don't think there's anyone in this thread who thinks there's anything intrinsically flat and passive about femaleness. But the argument being made by several people here, I think including Hussar, is that there is something in our society's view of femaleness that...

DS9 SPOILER ALERT Kasidy Yates, who Sisko meets in Season Three, is a woman with whom he shares a highly romantic relationship that eventually ends in their marriage and her pregnancy in Season Seven. So I'd hardly describe him as chaste for the run of the show, and that doesn't even count the...

I'm tempted to make a crack about the respective faithfulness of Penelope and Janeway's husband, but that's probably unkind. The fact that the one female captain just happens to embody a classic trope that keeps her chaste while the men get a diverse range of tropes that don't require them to is...

So I'm actually going to pick this one up and try to think aloud about it, because it's a really good and interesting question. I've built a number of cultures that have very aggressive gender norms for both fantasy and science fiction gaming, and I've found them to be very interesting and...

See.... I was going to pass this by until you used the word "fixate." As if somehow having an interest in such characters is a strange and unhealthy quality, somewhat like describing the violence in the game in loving detail (not that we haven't all been at the table with that person, too...)...

On the topic of chaste knights, I played a wonderful character with another PC built around that exact conceptual framework. It actually played even better since both characters were women - the longing looks and the carefully restrained politeness had a lovely edge. And one of my semi-permanent...

You know, Mistwell, I started a whole point-by-point dissection of your post and got about four paragraphs into it before I realized that I just don't care. I really don't. Your collection of pedantic, humorless, nitpicking nonsense isn't worth that kind of detailed reply, and this isn't a...

I'm really, really trying to get off this topic, but I just have to say something about that point. You are absolutely correct - to a point. The expanding, assimilationist quality of "whiteness" (from which, for instance, Italians and Eastern Europeans and the Irish and Welsh were once excluded...

Thank you for your kind welcome! :) And I think my earlier post to Lanliss and Tia's bit of generous navigation on the last page pretty well sum up why I think the "lots of people do lots of evil everywhere" argument is derailing nonsense. Not that it isn't true, mind you, just that it's both...

This is taking the general shape of a derailment, so I'll keep this brief - Africans, Egyptians, Romans and Greeks (most of the ancient world) had a variety of types of forced labor and bondage which went under the name of slavery. They varied quite a bit, but if you're trying to compare them to...

Sarcasm aside, history has taught us that white people have spent an awfully long time doing an awfully large collection of bad stuff awfully effectively, and that maybe with chattel slavery, multiple cases of genocide and the oppression of most of the globe in our comparatively recent rear view...

Well, heavens. A rare and expensive magical procedure (permanent polymorph is a 9th level spell, after all) to correct a painful mismatch between body and spirit, sought by a poor peasant with nothing to support her but her skill with her sword? Where could one possibly find interesting drama in...