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I may well be wrong, but I was under the impression that monsters were not divided into roles as such, rather that monsters would be represented as kind of templates which could be layered over the basic framework provided by the role. As such, you could have a Balor Brute, a Balor Skirmisher...

Just to nitpick a little, but they did release this conversion document (for the hard-covers at least) - it is (or was) available on the wizards website. For free even. All the changes were also in the SRD, also released for free.

Sunderstone, I'm interested in why you think that the information released so far indicates that the game will become more like an MMO and how the rules will force the DM to run it like it is one. As I see it, the massive advantage that a tabletop game has over an MMO or any other CRPG is...

It allows for easier balancing of encounters and pacing of adventures. With per-encounter balancing you have a good idea ahead of time what the capabilities of a party will be at any point in the future. You can have the numbers of encounters per day dictated by the requirements of the game's...

We can. And it's a role that the Fighter equivilent has always tried to do. In every edition you have tried to protect the softer targets by interposing yourself - the Knight just allows a mechanical method for doing so. Ultimately, why do you think "Tank" is a role in MMOs? Fighting...

Having run a prot warrior myself, no. Some of them are similar, but the implementation is very different. The comparison is about as valid as the feat-enhanced uses of Bardic music.

So, that would be the opposite of what I actually said, right? Lets try this again. :cool: Assume I'm playing, for example, Baldurs Gate. As I play, I make choices, explore areas, kill things and take thier stuff. I do this through the medium of a simulation, in this case generated and...

Uh, bully for you? So I take it you agree with the bulk of my position?

If you are playing with a particularly restrictive/rail-roady/pixelbitching DM (yes, I'm aware thats a computer game term, but it does describe the actions of some DMs well) where there is only one answer to a problem or you are forced to follow a particular story, are you not roleplaying? It...

Or to put it another way, does playing a conventional tabletop game with pre-generated characters prevent it from being a roleplaying game?

Very dependant on the character class in question, but fortunately all the relevant details are in the SRD http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/classes/gestaltCharacters.htm

How about gestalting the first level (and only the first) with the expert class?

Plane Shift somewhere with a Fast Time trait?

Dragon Shaman is what you are thinking of.

On reflection, it does seem to be a lot of work to balance the classes. Hmm, one for a little more thought.

An idea I was knocking around was to give characters the benefit of gestalt rules for the first level only and only with NPC classes- giving characters a chance to mechanically represent their background. This will clearly represent somewhat improved 1st level characters and allow for easier...

This is not necessarily a problem - if you use Thinuan weapons (CW) then you can kill in such a way as to prevent raising. However, using the weapon to kill again or breaking it allows the original victim to be raised, so as long as the PCs have a chance to get their hands on the weapon used...

Shows what I know :D

It may be a minor thing, but also remember that the adamantine body feat grants DR 2/adamantine, while adamantine full plate grants DR 3/-. Granted, that's not a lot of difference but it does mean that your DR can be bypassed by golems and other adamantine warforged.

Doesn't that one go- "Hey! a Twenty!"