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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    I don't know, you tell me? The games that I play have momentum, events in motion, trajectories of threat and promise. I've posted many examples upthread: Aedhros, having failed to kidnap a victim, wanders the streets at night hoping to calm himself and perhaps be recognised by the other Elves...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Are you an expert on satellite imaging? Or do you rely on authorities to assure you that Google street view is an accurate representation?
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Why don't you or someone else run that scenario in the system of your choice and tell us how it goes.
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    There are two things here: (1) If someone has failed, generally the GM is going to make what in AW parlance would be called a hard move. Some implicit or perhaps expressly flagged consequence is brought home. Burning Wheel is probably a bit less clear-cut here than AW, in part because it is...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    I've already posted examples in reply to you, twice. Here's a third go:
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    I've posted numerous examples over the whole course of this thread. I can tell you what Harper is saying. I anticipate I will then be berated for pointlessly and fallaciously referring to an authority. But here goes . . . I've seen people struggle with hard moves in the moment. Like, when the...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    A random website is not an experience. It's just a random website. When I was 12, I designed and GMed a really boring dungeon. Would you take that seriously as evidence that dungeon play can't be interesting?
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    I posted actual examples, in reply to you. Here they are again:
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    You keep pointing to an example where the consequence - the screaming cook - has not been telegraphed, has not been expressly or implicitly put at stake, and appears like a rabbit out of hat. When people who actually play Burning Wheel, Apocalypse World and other games in which "nothing...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Someone upthread asked what "fail forward" is/looks like. Given that Luke Crane is one of those who coined the concept, it seems to me that reading his action resolution rules would be relevant to answering the question. As it turns out, people - the same ones who regard argument from...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Hang on, so now you're back to quoting some random website? I don't see why I should take it seriously as a guide to how to play RPGs.
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Someone upthread asked what "fail forward" means, and what it looks like in play. I thought I would answer them. If you think they ought not to have asked the question, please chide them.
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    I quoted the relevant passages upthread. There is no "the rest", is there? (Not that you would ever accuse me of lying or manipulating information.)
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    I don't think you're lying. But you appear to use the D&D combat rules. That's enough for me to infer how versimilitudinous combat is. I believe that you use the D&D PC building rules. Which is enough for me to infer how verisimilitudinous the characters are. Which is all I have done. I prefer...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Sure. That doesn't mean that it's a fallacy to believe them because of their expertise. I can tell you that drivers in Australia travel on the left (British or Japanese style) rather than on the right (US or French style). Why do you believe me? All you've got is testimony. I mean, you could...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Huh? That's the authority I'm referring to. I read a book and listened to the teacher. I didn't perform any experiments involving radioactive materials and living beings!
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Given that there are a billion RPGs out there that have various forms of simultaneous combat resolution, and that have versions of degradation in combat that are more verisimilitudinous than hit points, I don't feel the force of your "isn't possible". I also don't understand why you launch so...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    As it happens, I know some pretty serious pure mathematicians. They can tell me some things that I can (almost) make sense of. I believe them. It would be pointless for me to ask them to back up their reasoning - I wouldn't understand it. This generalises across most fields of technical...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    I thought you said this: I have no evidence, other than the testimony of authorities, about the workings of radioactive decay, what some decay sequences are, what some typical decay products are, and what the affects are on health of being exposed to radiation. I have no supporting evidence...
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    D&D General [rant]The conservatism of D&D fans is exhausting.

    Because I referred to the Burning Wheel rulebooks as evidence of how Luke Crane - one of the designers who coined the notion "fail forward" - intends such action resolution to work. And you said that I was committing a fallacy in relying up the authority of that text.
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