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Barbarian mostly for 12HP and +10 movement speed. rage is just to help in the boss room. 2 lvl monk for another +10 movement speed, and flurry. 3 lvl druid for sheleighleigh. The rest is whatever...

Does the cleric still have spells? Does it even have that spellprepared?... a summoned elemental doesnt act that round... Rogue. Rope and hook. Rope use skill. Just saying.

After the giant is defeated, the party feels the earth shake. The floor gives out beneath you, and you fall into a sinkhole 1/4 mile deep unless you can reach safety in a single round.... Rogue lives, cleric dies... as an example. Just saying every class is weak. Every class is strong. It's a...

Actually, I like halfling druid/monk, with level one barbarian. Quarterstaff, shieleighleigh (lv 2 spell) Halfling improves attack roll, sheleighleigh rolls damage at +2 size. Then rage. Plenty od druid spells to add as well, and I suppose you could level barbarian anytime you need a +BAB.. only...

All I meant was, Cleric is not necessarily the "BEST" class of 3.5. Neither is the wizard, or the fighter..there are plenty of reasons to take a druid over a cleric, and visa versa. It doesnt make sense to teir them in my opinion, because I dont agree one is difinitively better. It is...

For example, monk, scoring low in the teir for it's poor hit ratio (fair judgement) is a fantastic multiclass. Two levels of fighter offer an array of proficiencies, two feats and 2D10 HP...

So maybe what I mean is, that classes require a sertain measure of experience and understanding to be utilized

That is a great point! Because while the balance of the adventure is the DMs responsibility, the character build is the responsibility of the player. I agree completely that the benefits of some classes are more obvious, and that some things are yet to be discovered. So it's true that players...

I'm promoting the idea that there is balance, based on the group. I am advocating the opposite of good class/bad class

That seems good to play. Having the group define the direction early on must help planning enourmously. I like open story as well. Generally, I'm just writing dungeons and npcs, and when the group sort of "decides" to adventure, something happens from the book I write. I keep a log of what's...

If a campaign starts at a high level... I have a group that always starts at 10... then I think it might take some trial and error to balance the challenges. But if the group started at 1 together, then the DM should have a pretty good idea of what they do and where they succeed and fail. Again...

Of course, that rogue should probably have multiclassed and prestiged out of pocket picking a long time ago 🤣

Yep. High level campaigns are tough to dm, for sure. But it depends on the group. The DM could introduce a competing party that seems to get the loot first, each a designed antihero, or perhaps a betrayal of a trusted ally or safe place... I just think that the DM has to remain as interested in...

I don't like hearing about how a class is too this or not enough that... the DM determines balance, and if a class seems broken then it needs to be challenged. Harder encounters, cursed items, nemesis npcs...

I believe strongly that it is the DM's responsibility to manage the campain to challenge what may be perceived as out of balance. The DM should therefore place challenges in the campaign that force the players to carefully consider the budget of their points.

This is true too. I have some old farts in my group that won't play psionics at all...

I agree completely. And higher levels can pool so many skill points as to be redundant. And many classes aren't worth reaching level 20 anyways, when compared to the benefit of a good multiclass... Again, it really comes down to the players, the DM, and what the party needs to succeed

I can not stand a bard... but in a city-based campaign with guile and diplomacy as key elements, they might be so much more than the support role they get pigeon-holed into...

This is why I prefer classes that are consistant. I love the monk class. They are always armed. They have lots of skills and good saves. That's really the point, I think. It's about building a team that fills in the shortcomings of the others. This thread continually puts down monk, druid and...

I don't disagree with the strategy, but both those options use up a spell. It all comes down to the party and DM. How they play off each other. A DM should be building campaigns to challenge the players. Remember that you should have between 8 and 12 encounters between levels. And depending on...