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I was talking about how to solve the problem without creating another problem. And frankly, as a man, I have a vested interest in not having a situation where a woman can have me thrown out of a convention because she doesn't like a political stance I take. Let's start with a simple one. "Boys...

The more I see of this setting, the better it looks.

Yes, there ARE people on this thread who are advocating for that very thing.

Welcome to the thread. I'm guessing you just got here because, A) you number of posts and B) you are addressing a topic that hasn't really been discussed. Nobody is arguing over whether or not a convention can or should throw people out over harassment that does not cross over into criminal...

I did read the article. The writer, in addition to claiming so many incidents that are simply not believable (seriously, she asserts that every time she called the police, she was dismissed. And that when she was 13, an entire store chanted "Old enough to bleed, old enough to breed" at her.)...

How to deal with it is a political issue, which is what we are discussing.

That was a real incident that really happened. It was at PyCon in 2013. The woman who got the two people fired ended up losing her job over the incident when the situation came to light; she claimed, and I am not making this up, that the 2 men were working with the KKK to get her fired, and she...

No deliberate misreading. I went based on what was said, which is no-tolerance policy and harassment means removed, badge revoked, and permaban from future PAX events. If that is inaccurate, please tell me what the process is. I've never been to PAX, so I never learned about its policies...

I left it out because it wasn't relevant to my point, which is that people were demanding that the accused be punished even after it was established that they were innocent.

That is reasonable, but that is not some people are pushing for; they are pushing for a policy that the accused is thrown out, and are actually saying that it shouldn't matter whether or not the accusation is true.

Now this is interesting, because it contradicts what you said earlier. You said earlier that it wasn't punitive nor was it a big deal being falsely accused of harassment. But being permanently banned from future PAX events sounds like a big deal to me. So now, one accusation, where you admit...

Actually, I do understand the case. 4 people were falsely accused of rape. The nation went nuts over it. Even after it proven that the 4 did not rape the dancer who accused them (and in fact, one of them wasn't even there), people still wanted their blood. A poll taken by ABC News showed that...

3 words to prove that you are very wrong: Duke Lacrosse Team.

Actually, the view is WORSE that "guilty until proven innocent". It is simply unconcerned with whether or not the person is guilty. The accused is simply expelled from the event (although some who support this would at least be willing to give a refund to the accused). Are you seriously...

The political aspect is over HOW to stop it and whether or not "The accusation is the evidence". You are OK with that standard. I am not. That is where the political divide stands. And we haven't even gotten into the question of what constitutes harassment. Who defines the standard? And whose...

Don't bother responding to me, MadAxe; I blocked you. Whatever you have to say, I'm sure it is pointless.

This is a political issue that affects gaming, so it doesn't bother me. trust me; I've seen one particular sight that pushes political views to the point that the moderation openly enforces its political leaning. All things considered, this has been a mostly polite conversation where there are...

As I explained earlier, I was a victim of "The accusation is the evidence" policy, so I am a little more sensitive than many others. Yes, I am arguing fair over safe. That is because taking rights away from groups of people in the name of safety is wrong. Especially when it doesn't have to...

I am not aware of anyone calling for the applying of criminal case standards of beyond a reasonable doubt. Preponderance of the evidence is acceptable. However, there are people openly advocating, in this very thread, for the idea that "The accusation is the evidence" should be the standard and...

I think we have our solution. More cameras, more security, and a "See something, say something" policy. Cuts down on the harassment by its very presence, provides the ability to prove the true accusations, and provides safeguards against innocent people being falsely accused. Now, let's stop...