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SO what happens to a magic item inside the bag or portable hole?

NOBODY expects the Unexpected Hydra! Amongst it's weaponry are such diverse elements as: fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency...

So the consensus is yes then. Excellent...my evil plan <cough> err...ummm

According to the description of Boccob's Book, it only eliminates 25gp per page? Not the 100gp/level... Or has this been errata'd somewhere?

Hey All, This may be elementary to most but here goes... If you wanted to cast a spell with Celestial or Fiendish as a component requirement, but did not possess that template, could you Magic Jar and take over another's form which does have that template and then cast it?

I haven't seen it mentioned ,although I admittedly scanned some of the longer winded posts. But you might consider a domain wizard from Unearthed Arcana.

I'm sure I could, but I don't want this to be a me-against-him thing. Nice guy, fun to play with and generally not given to unfair rulings. But I will take the advice garnered here and make one more cogent argument for it, if not, its not like it is the end of the world. My summoner still...

Yeah, I think that is it...I'm out of luck, because his ruling is that that doesn't matter I agree, but apparently it isn't Thanks to all for trying, but looks like I'm S.O.L. By the way, thanks to Infiniti for all the summon cards again, they're great.

Uh yeah...I can learn the languages, that is not the problem... the GM is ruling that there is nothing that says fiendish/celestial animals understand ANY language. YES, I am drowning in skill points, and have bought the aforementioned languages. What I am trying to obtain is any place I can...

I did, however, the GM's take is that the creature only gains the Int3 by virtue of the fiendish/celestial template. And since the template does not STATE that a language is gained at that point, the creature is unable to understand commands, and is just a dumb animal. Speak with animals would...

Sigh...its not that it is unclear, but the GM's ruling is that since I can find no spe-cif-ic reference to it in the SRD, they do NOT understand any language, despite the template or 3 int. I am trying to establish a concrete form of proof.

The issue is this, do the summoned animal creatures (which almost uniformly have an Int 3, understand ANY language)? Is the INT3 'natural' to it on its plane and therefore it has a 'language' or is it only granted in a template as the spell is cast? And is there any official ruling on this...

Ergo summoned animals cannot understand a language and can't be directed then? Its an issue which came up in play last night and trying to find a rules based solution for it, no houseruling allowed on it.

Hey All, This has probably already been hashed out, but what languages do the fiendish and celestial critters speak/understand. The ones of animal stature (i.e. int 3 or so), and where is this located in the rules? Thanks

Herremann, so how exactly have you addressed this issue with your DM? Do you use the 'special' critters, sans pseudo template? Or have you stuck in abberrations as I have with my DM? I'm still in the process of just having switched to Alienist and would love some pointers as to what has...

Ok here goes...just some ideas, YMMV Fiend Folio: pg. 34 CR9 Chwidencha pg. 39 CR10 Darkweaver pg.66 CR9 Red Etherguant pg.144 CR9 Rukanyr pg.158 CR7 Slasrath pg.186 CR6 Wendigo...

MM II pg 100 oh and another possibility for SM VII if chuul is too much, keep Invisible stalker in (a la' "Shambler from the stars") and just make it more grotesque. Other Aberrations/critters with a Cthulhoid feel, just from Monster Manual I: (did a little more research) Destrachan CR8 pg 49...

These are just some examples by CR rating, some of the ones my GM has allowed for my Alienist, but I'm only up to the CR IVs. Not being a Lovecraft fan, he allowed me to do the research and submit for approval... I use the Darkmantle, Yurian, Grick and Carrion Crawler; but the Mouther and Chaos...

I would reccommend allowing a different more 'thematic' form of summons in place of the non templated creatures. Instead of demons, devils, etc; use some of the aberrant creatures which fit the bill, and don't apply the pseudonatural template to them. E.g. Gibbering mouthers come to mind...

Anyway I could hit you up those?